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pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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gladstoned said:
How many grams per oz. on average?
What does all the equipment cost for top notch gear? Any links would be appreciated.
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I use only buds and tray shake. after trimming I dry in a hanging basket, and catch all that falls, plus tons of overage, well, not tons, but alot
I get between 3-6g depending on strain. I dont decarbox unless it's for capsules or edibles like candy. on the way out of the tamisium the oil is filtered through activated carbon, and then a micron filter. Temperatures are controlled if needed, to target specific components. many different solvents can be used in this, even water. pressure gauges,digi laser temps,etc make it a no brainer. My kit, with a fitted padded bag was 1500, paid for itself in a few months, in used butane alone !! safety, purity, precision...thats what I wanted. I have extracted every herb in the garden with this, including flowers, yep them too! if i misplaced it, I would immediately replace it, at a higher cost even.
I first saw this at a big pharm convention, then later in thier lab, it was much larger, but made by the same man. They used it to do the same think for medicine. chemical extractions for synthesized patentable drug study....think valium, valerian root, morphine, poppy...etc. I was drawn to it like lips to a bong ! all I want is whatstrapped inside that trichome. I want to preserve its essence, and enjoy the electricity !
 

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gladstoned

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Thanks guys. I am going to look into this hard. I would want one of the better extractors or I wouldn't even fuck with it. The one thing I know about this is that it needs to be right. This is not a route is would be comfortable going the diy route. But, I am learning.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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SketchyGrower said:
for real glad! RDMI gave me my first sample and that night my crohn's was acting up like fucking wildfire.. I literally took maybe 2 nice rips maybe 5-6 mins later I was "golden" actually forgot I was holding the bong.... not to mention there was no more pain or I didn't care about it..lol
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Glad I could help. Now you need a rig for dabbing!

Flowers are for pleasure

Oil is medicine.
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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After designing one that will withstand the rigors of heat, pressure, solvents, safety valves, stainless lines, and safety testing, many times more than the cost will be spent, or safety will be compromised. This is made to do just this, in lab like conditions, with minimal risk to life or product.
If one could not afford this, I would suggest using the $ from your honey bee extractor, save up, and do it right. there is no need to build anything new. The honey bee performs fine, although no recovery is possible, and there are no saftey measure built in. The uality of tane is up to the maker. why re invent the wheel. If somebody does not have 1500 bucks to save there home and family from burning, there is no way in hell the same person will be able to produce an equivalent.
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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gladstoned said:
Thanks guys. I am going to look into this hard. I would want one of the better extractors or I wouldn't even fuck with it. The one thing I know about this is that it needs to be right. This is not a route is would be comfortable going the diy route. But, I am learning.
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after selling 30 grams at 50$, roughly a half pound of material, this can be at your door in two days, with no learning curve, or safety issues. and again, it pays for itself in butane quickly
 
SofaKingPurp

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pharmacoping said:
After designing one that will withstand the rigors of heat, pressure, solvents, safety valves, stainless lines, and safety testing, many times more than the cost will be spent, or safety will be compromised. This is made to do just this, in lab like conditions, with minimal risk to life or product.
If one could not afford this, I would suggest using the $ from your honey bee extractor, save up, and do it right. there is no need to build anything new. The honey bee performs fine, although no recovery is possible, and there are no saftey measure built in. The uality of tane is up to the maker. why re invent the wheel. If somebody does not have 1500 bucks to save there home and family from burning, there is no way in hell the same person will be able to produce an equivalent.
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I agree 100%. I wouldnt do it if I couldnt find the proper things to construct it. I have found some of the things easily, some parts not so much. Basically I have been trying to research how much it would cost to build the exact same thing. I so far I still would have about $900 into it.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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Well I see where this is taking me.
The math is definitely fucking me up though.
If everyones numbers are right I would be spending $2000 to get half the price for my flowers. lmao.
40-60 a gram and 50 a gram.
and 3-6 gr per zip.
Breaking down a whole half pound for $1500, fuck dude, I'll give you 1500 for the half.

What's wrong with my math?
 
Trichyn9ne

Trichyn9ne

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I've never broken down flowers. Just use my sugar trim. My roomy lived in Colorado for a few months and said all they did was run there flowers in mass into bho!
 
TheChosen

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SofaKingPurp said:
How can you say that it comes from moist in the bud and getting water in the dish, but not the moisture swirling around entering the dish? It is not water soluble so getting water in the dish is no more harmful than wet buds or moisture in general. But if you want a less gooey product everything must be lacking moisture. I suggest using a heat pad or another alternative source than water. Try it man, you will be impressed! The only thing better is doing it total sealed like the tamisium extractor. And the main reason being is the lack of moisture that will seep in from the hot/cold mix. Just like weather outside when hot and cold mix they create humidity. This is what you get if sealed; View attachment 2201501
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I can say that because if you have that much steam swirling around your dish then you are purging too hot. Unless it's cold outside, water at 120-130 will not have any steam. Plus butane is heavier than air which is why it sinks when you spray. So any steam you may be worried about rising, collecting, and condensating in your dish would be suppressed by the butane that is sinking. And in all of the tutorials, threads, and videos I have seen, no one has ever brought up this point which I find unfounded. And to recommend somone to use a heat pad is somewhat dangerous. When you spray the butane is sinking and collecting on the ground and can be ignited very easily. I know of someone who was spraying outside and their neighbor ignited their grill and a section of their grass from where he was spraying to the neighbors grill briefly ignited. So to have something electrical right below your purge point is a poor alternative.

Honestly I think you all are making bho too complicated. If you have the money for a tamisium then that is great and I hope you enjoy it. But you can achieve the same yield, with the same taste, and same potency with a simple glass extractor or stainless steel turkey baster.

Glad I don't understand what you're trying to calculate? But to provide some more info yields from making bho are about 12-15% for an average run. So if you spray 10 grams x 15% yield = 1.5 grams of bho on average. Once you refine your technique and if your material is good then 20% and up is entirely possible. If you throw keif or hash in the tube you can increase the yield to 30-50%. If you're running trim or subpar weed (bitch nuggets) then expect to be in the 12-15% range. Use quality flowers and you will get a better return, and you won't have to use much to get the job done.
 
gladstoned

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TheChosen said:
Glad I don't understand what you're trying to calculate?
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I guess to try to explain it, I am trying to justify spending $2000 on an extractor. Oz's are roughly $250. Oil is $40-60/gram. If I broke down an oz and got 5 grams of oil @ $40/per. Then I just spent $2000 to lose $50 per oz. That kinda math makes me say, huh? What would make more sense is spending $2000 and getting an extra $50-75 per.
That is not recreational or drug dealer talk, that is just fundamental common sense. I am just kinda thinking out loud with the information that is provided. Like I stated earlier, I have never been interested in bho before.
 
rzza

rzza

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you should get like 6g from a zip of decent bud. 40 bucks a gram is 240 but this is the reason that you find it for 80g sometimes.
 
Trichyn9ne

Trichyn9ne

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Glad don't let others fool ya. Just like growing, everyone has their own style that works for them. We get bomb bho and we spent less than 30 bucks. A stainless turkey baster, can of vector, glass/pyrix dish, and of couse the meds/trim! And bingo was his namo
 
Trichyn9ne

Trichyn9ne

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oh yea forgot to mention with last post that the money is in the sugar trim! Best use for that stuff if your not into edibles...
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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TheChosen said:
I can say that because if you have that much steam swirling around your dish then you are purging too hot. Unless it's cold outside, water at 120-130 will not have any steam. Plus butane is heavier than air which is why it sinks when you spray. So any steam you may be worried about rising, collecting, and condensating in your dish would be suppressed by the butane that is sinking. And in all of the tutorials, threads, and videos I have seen, no one has ever brought up this point which I find unfounded. And to recommend somone to use a heat pad is somewhat dangerous. When you spray the butane is sinking and collecting on the ground and can be ignited very easily. I know of someone who was spraying outside and their neighbor ignited their grill and a section of their grass from where he was spraying to the neighbors grill briefly ignited. So to have something electrical right below your purge point is a poor alternative.

Honestly I think you all are making bho too complicated. If you have the money for a tamisium then that is great and I hope you enjoy it. But you can achieve the same yield, with the same taste, and same potency with a simple glass extractor or stainless steel turkey baster.

Glad I don't understand what you're trying to calculate? But to provide some more info yields from making bho are about 12-15% for an average run. So if you spray 10 grams x 15% yield = 1.5 grams of bho on average. Once you refine your technique and if your material is good then 20% and up is entirely possible. If you throw keif or hash in the tube you can increase the yield to 30-50%. If you're running trim or subpar weed (bitch nuggets) then expect to be in the 12-15% range. Use quality flowers and you will get a better return, and you won't have to use much to get the job done.
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quite true, except you will not be using n-butane, which is much cleaner than lighter fluids, you will be routinely evaporating this material into the air, posing life threatening dangers(see you tube) and will never know the weights used to ensure proper and complete removal of all the lighter fluid constituents. Tami reuses the same tane each time, this is the genius of the device..no exposure, repeatable pure results every time, very little danger. economical operation too.

at the end of the day, the test lab would completely disagree with you. I've seen the results from both extractions. n-tane specifically targets the material we seek, and the gases in a can of fluid target more of the stuff we dont, thats why yields are a bit higher.....freeze off the fats,sugars, unburned carbs, and chlorophyll,....then you'll see the true wisdom behind purity and potency.

I do love mine, but I have to also, cuz it cost me a fortune lol
 
TheChosen

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Hey I completely agree with that. I do not want it to seem as if I'm knocking or discrediting any benefits the tamisium may proivde. My only point is that if you are purchasing one to reduce your the moisture content, or reduce the humidity that would normally exists around your purge point, then you are a misinformed person. I do not doubt that using n-butane is a more pure method of extracting oils from bud. And I should clarify that when I say you will not see a difference in yield, taste, or potency I mean that in terms of visual inspection. If we're talking about lab analysis, then I will put my sstb oil aside and let the tami oil shine.

And for a first time oil maker, I think spending 2gs on a rig for spraying is overkill. Get experience with a glass extractor or sstb and then move up. Most non oil makers would probably have a difficult time even getting the oil out of the honey pot where it collects, let alone completing a successful extraction.
 
SofaKingPurp

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TheChosen said:
Hey I completely agree with that. I do not want it to seem as if I'm knocking or discrediting any benefits the tamisium may proivde. My only point is that if you are purchasing one to reduce your the moisture content, or reduce the humidity that would normally exists around your purge point, then you are a misinformed person. I do not doubt that using n-butane is a more pure method of extracting oils from bud. And I should clarify that when I say you will not see a difference in yield, taste, or potency I mean that in terms of visual inspection. If we're talking about lab analysis, then I will put my sstb oil aside and let the tami oil shine.

And for a first time oil maker, I think spending 2gs on a rig for spraying is overkill. Get experience with a glass extractor or sstb and then move up. Most non oil makers would probably have a difficult time even getting the oil out of the honey pot where it collects, let alone completing a successful extraction.
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I dont disagree with your methods at all man. Just have my own opinion about moisture that was given to me by some guys who know some shit. But you can make great bho that way, I mean the only difference we were talking about was the way to heat the tray. A hot water bottle seems like a fair compromise. :mrgreen:
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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TheChosen said:
Hey I completely agree with that. I do not want it to seem as if I'm knocking or discrediting any benefits the tamisium may proivde. My only point is that if you are purchasing one to reduce your the moisture content, or reduce the humidity that would normally exists around your purge point, then you are a misinformed person. I do not doubt that using n-butane is a more pure method of extracting oils from bud. And I should clarify that when I say you will not see a difference in yield, taste, or potency I mean that in terms of visual inspection. If we're talking about lab analysis, then I will put my sstb oil aside and let the tami oil shine.

And for a first time oil maker, I think spending 2gs on a rig for spraying is overkill. Get experience with a glass extractor or sstb and then move up. Most non oil makers would probably have a difficult time even getting the oil out of the honey pot where it collects, let alone completing a successful extraction.
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you right man, I did it that way for years, and I dont think it's practical unless somebody has alot of material to work with, or a health nut. I use a carrier solvent, usually 99% alcohol, about 10ml, and it poors out easy, then evaps(checked by weight again) and finished.

a bit confused about this moisture issue. the tami will not prevent it I think, because the moisture is being extracted because---non dried material and/or improper solvent. there is no water in or around this process, and I never got moisture in my oil while blasting on the deck, in decades!

peace
 
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