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Has anyone provided free product monthly to patients and financed the grow by selling off the excess harvest ? Like maybe an oz a month in exchange for the caregiver slot...

Do the dispensaries reliably buy quality excess and for what kind of prices ?

What about the legality of selling off the excess for distribution ?

Me and the little woman are looking for a part time business that can do some good, and bank a couple bucks in the process.

This is Colorado by the way, the Springs specifically.

The new requirements for caregivers shopping and doing dishes for patients may kill this thought and their free weed because i'm not bustin suds!

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WAMM (Women's Alliance for Medical marijuana) provides free medicine to patients that register with their co-op. I'm high as a kite and this likely isn't the question that your asking though.

I have never heard of anyone giving free medicine in exchange for the ability to be their caregiver. In fact, as a reliable and quality medicine producer, we often have the problem of too many people wanting to be part of the co-op. Not only do I not go looking for people to take care of, we have to turn people away!

In terms of the dispensaries though, yes, they do in fact purchase excess medicine from patients. Ideally, you have some type of connection with a dispensary owner first.. As you will likely be thrown out if you walk in randomly trying to sell them medicine. Of course, it's important to remember that dispensaries tend to abide by the law more strictly. Meaning that if you intend on donating 4 lbs. of medicine, you'd better be able to legally carry and grow 4 lbs. of medicine.

In terms of the cost, you're not going to get street value. In fact, your reason for donating medicine to dispensaries is that you have TONS of product and you will NEVER sell illegally on the streets. Ideally, the people donating medicine to dispensaries are doing it because they like a high turnover. The faster that medicine moves, the better. If they sell it all at $1,500-$2,000/lb in one shot, its a worthwhile deal. Expect to net double that profit if sold at street value.

The law does protect you in this aspect though. Again, most importantly is that you are able to legally carry the amount that you are donating. Also, perhaps you've noticed that you NEVER "sell" medicine to a dispensary... You always "donate" your medicine and receive a "cash donation" in return. Simply put, this is based on the same law that allows you to donate your vehicle and receive a full tax credit. The law does allow you to grow the medicine and donate to the clinics.

All of the above information pertains to California's Prop 215 and S.B 420, rather than Colorado law specifically. For the most part, all medical marijuana laws are modeled after California's laws, meaning that much of this information can be applied to any medical marijuana state.
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WAMM (Women's Alliance for Medical marijuana) provides free medicine to patients that register with their co-op. I'm high as a kite and this likely isn't the question that your asking though.

I have never heard of anyone giving free medicine in exchange for the ability to be their caregiver. In fact, as a reliable and quality medicine producer, we often have the problem of too many people wanting to be part of the co-op. Not only do I not go looking for people to take care of, we have to turn people away!

In terms of the dispensaries though, yes, they do in fact purchase excess medicine from patients. Ideally, you have some type of connection with a dispensary owner first.. As you will likely be thrown out if you walk in randomly trying to sell them medicine. Of course, it's important to remember that dispensaries tend to abide by the law more strictly. Meaning that if you intend on donating 4 lbs. of medicine, you'd better be able to legally carry and grow 4 lbs. of medicine.

In terms of the cost, you're not going to get street value. In fact, your reason for donating medicine to dispensaries is that you have TONS of product and you will NEVER sell illegally on the streets. Ideally, the people donating medicine to dispensaries are doing it because they like a high turnover. The faster that medicine moves, the better. If they sell it all at $1,500-$2,000/lb in one shot, its a worthwhile deal. Expect to net double that profit if sold at street value.

The law does protect you in this aspect though. Again, most importantly is that you are able to legally carry the amount that you are donating. Also, perhaps you've noticed that you NEVER "sell" medicine to a dispensary... You always "donate" your medicine and receive a "cash donation" in return. Simply put, this is based on the same law that allows you to donate your vehicle and receive a full tax credit. The law does allow you to grow the medicine and donate to the clinics.

All of the above information pertains to California's Prop 215 and S.B 420, rather than Colorado law specifically. For the most part, all medical marijuana laws are modeled after California's laws, meaning that much of this information can be applied to any medical marijuana state.
yes you are never selling your medicine you are taking donations the clinic/patient is paying for the bag or container and the growers time and what not.... just to make it easier
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yes you are never selling your medicine you are taking donations the clinic/patient is paying for the bag or container and the growers time and what not.... just to make it easier
This may all be for naught anyways.. with the new rules that the health department in Colorado is looking to implement, i suspect dispensaries will be going by the wayside.

Limit of 5 patients per caregiver, then caregivers must shop, cook and clean for the patients on a regular basis.... I'll grow them weed for free, but I refuse to wash their fucking dishes.
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What makes you think a caregiver has to clean up after people? Does your pharmacist come to your house and do your maid work? A marijuana caregiver would be like a pharmacist, not a maid, nor a nurse.

If we had a med law here, I would give for free to people who have cancer, provided that they are using the weed and not turning it for a profit. If you want to sell, then you can pay me for my efforts.
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The Attorney General in California has recently set forth guidelines, outlining what the "real" definition of a "Primary Caregiver" can and cannot be.

A primary caregiver is a person who is designated by a qualified patient and “has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety” of the patient. (§ CA-HSC 11362.5.)

California courts have emphasized the consistency element of the patient-caregiver relationship. Although a “primary caregiver who consistently grows and supplies medicinal marijuana for a section 11362.5 patient is serving a health need of the patient,” someone who merely maintains a source of marijuana does not automatically become the party “who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety” of that purchaser. (People v. Peron)

A person may serve as primary caregiver to “more than one” patient, provided that the patients and caregiver all reside in the same city or county. (§ CA-HSC 11362.7.)

Primary caregivers also may receive certain compensation for their services.

[“A primary caregiver who receives compensation for actual expenses, including reasonable compensation incurred for services provided, to enable [a patient] to use marijuana under this article shall not, on the sole basis of that fact, be subject to prosecution” for possessing or transporting marijuana."]

In short, it has become less about opinion and more about following state guidelines if you expect for the law to protect you.
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What makes you think a caregiver has to clean up after people? Does your pharmacist come to your house and do your maid work? A marijuana caregiver would be like a pharmacist, not a maid, nor a nurse.
This is what makes me think that.. these are the proposed changes that the Colorado State Health department is wanting to implement:

ii) “PRIMARY CARE-GIVER” MEANS A PERSON OTHER THAN THE PATIENT AND THE PATIENT’S PHYSICIAN, WHO IS EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND HAS SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT WHO HAS A DEBILITATING MEDICAL CONDITION.
iii) “SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT” MEANS ASSISTING A PATIENT WITH DAILY ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRANSPORTATION, HOUSEKEEPING, MEAL PREPARATION, AND SHOPPING, AND MAKING ANY NECESSARY ARRANGEMENT FOR ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE AND/OR SERVICES.

This kinda sucks to, but not as much as the above...
The name and address of the applicant’s primary care-giver, if one is designated at the time of application; HOWEVER, NO INDIVIDUAL SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CARE-GIVER FOR MORE THAN FIVE PATIENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME;

Basis and Purpose.
The Department is proposing further definition of a primary care-giver to ensure that the requirements of the constitution are met in that the care-giver is providing more assistance than simply providing medical marijuana to the patient.

So there ya go... wanna bust some suds and maybe cook some dinner so that you can grow medicinal for your patients ?

http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/op/bh/h...9withBasis.pdf
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Nursing and gardening are not the same thing. Are the suits aware of this?

If you're sick do you call your gardener? No, you don't........
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Has anyone provided free product monthly to patients and financed the grow by selling off the excess harvest ? Like maybe an oz a month in exchange for the caregiver slot...

Do the dispensaries reliably buy quality excess and for what kind of prices ?

What about the legality of selling off the excess for distribution ?

Me and the little woman are looking for a part time business that can do some good, and bank a couple bucks in the process.

This is Colorado by the way, the Springs specifically.

The new requirements for caregivers shopping and doing dishes for patients may kill this thought and their free weed because i'm not bustin suds!

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Well here in Canada a Designated Grower can charge the patients for the mmj that they provide.

Now I have been connecting DG with patients but... the DG has to provide the patients with FREE mmj. To date we have been able to set up more than a dozen patients.

Now if Health Canada ever gets off its ass and allows the DG to grow for more than 1 patient you will see more patients getting FREE mmj.

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This is what makes me think that.. these are the proposed changes that the Colorado State Health department is wanting to implement:

ii) “PRIMARY CARE-GIVER” MEANS A PERSON OTHER THAN THE PATIENT AND THE PATIENT’S PHYSICIAN, WHO IS EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND HAS SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT WHO HAS A DEBILITATING MEDICAL CONDITION.
iii) “SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT” MEANS ASSISTING A PATIENT WITH DAILY ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRANSPORTATION, HOUSEKEEPING, MEAL PREPARATION, AND SHOPPING, AND MAKING ANY NECESSARY ARRANGEMENT FOR ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE AND/OR SERVICES.
So does anyone know how this has effected California? Have caregivers went underground?

This new proposal seems like an attempt to kill off the caregiver thus killing the supply.
 

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