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    The U.S. Government has a patent dating back to 2003 on the 'synthetic' use of CBN/CBD compounds. (I'll stick to 100% natural thank-you)
    If you want to know more about the 'benefits' of synthesized junk simply use Google Patents and search for the following:

    US Patent 6630507 titled “Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants” which is assigned to The United States of America, as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services.
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    If (when) science recognizes components in marijuana that have medicial properties they are for sure going to isolate them and synthesize them. That is how it works - if they found a compound in some rain-forest flower that gave old men hard-ons they would not cultivate the flower in greenhouses and process it into pills, they would re-create the naturally occuring compound and go from there.

    That being said, follow that same line of logic with the the cultivation and distribution of medical marijuana. When science recognizes components in marijuana that have medicial properties they are for sure going to isolate them and synthesize them - potentially ending any reason for naturally grown medical marijuana. That is the real possibility I fear, is this a real possibility or am I taking this too far? (I know sometimes I do that)

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    i would agree with synthetics cannabinoids, but not how they are doing it with the ks/spice

    if it was a pure cannibinoid, there are benefits. but they have to change the way they synthesize the chemical, so who knows what it really is at the time.

    there are no side effects from naturals, argue smoking, but there are other ways of ingesting marijuana to avoid side effects of smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eulin View Post
    Do they exist or possibly exist? Any potential Medical Benefits?
    you mean beside euthanasia? man that stuff is deadly poison its a synthetic drug that has no research to it, and i doubt i has any healing properties
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    Default It's not posion and it has a huge amount of research to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by polyarcturus View Post
    you mean beside euthanasia? man that stuff is deadly poison its a synthetic drug that has no research to it, and i doubt i has any healing properties
    It's not a deadly poison, its a synthetic canabinoid. It took a lot of research to synthesize it. Synthetic does not equal poison. You are probably wearing clothes with synthetic fibers right now.

    The way synthetic canabinoids are being used currently is flakey and dangerous.

    Looking at other synthetics they end up being superior to the natural compound that inspired it - for example Synthetic Oil used in cars, any high performance or mission-critical engine uses synthetic oil. Synthetic materials like kelvar are so good that they do not have any natural equivalents.

    I'm thinking that if they get their act together with synthetic canabinoids the next logical step would be to apply it in the same way that Medical marijuana is applied. That just ain't right, but its totally possible.

    If Medical marijuana emerges with marketable medicinal qualities you can bet your ass that drug makers will try to "get in on that" with a synthetic. They have done it with EVERY other drug out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eulin View Post
    It's not a deadly poison, its a synthetic canabinoid. It took a lot of research to synthesize it. Synthetic does not equal poison. You are probably wearing clothes with synthetic fibers right now.

    The way synthetic canabinoids are being used currently is flakey and dangerous.

    Looking at other synthetics they end up being superior to the natural compound that inspired it - for example Synthetic Oil used in cars, any high performance or mission-critical engine uses synthetic oil. Synthetic materials like kelvar are so good that they do not have any natural equivalents.

    I'm thinking that if they get their act together with synthetic canabinoids the next logical step would be to apply it in the same way that Medical marijuana is applied. That just ain't right, but its totally possible.

    If Medical marijuana emerges with marketable medicinal qualities you can bet your ass that drug makers will try to "get in on that" with a synthetic. They have done it with EVERY other drug out there.

    The stuff you are referring to, that is used in spice/k2 is not the same as a synthetics cannabinoid. Those synthetics are marijuana like chemicals, and not even close to the same as synthesizing THC, which like i stated earlier, is already being done.

    Marinol -
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000403/
    Nabilone -
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000398/

    Wheras spice/k2 use JWH-018, JWH-073 JWH-200 and other variations of it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018

    JWH effects the body entirely different than THC does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vilify View Post
    JWH effects the body entirely different than THC does.

    so in other word its crack? srry to take this out of context but your saying it yourself, it does not work the same way as THC, i know first hand, that shit (posh) feels like being on crack. and the junkies i knew that where doing the SALT well they became literal crack heads(stealing, prostituting, scrapping ect)

    now that not to say a medical laboratory somewhere couldn't find uses for it in low doses or wtfe but they wouldn't say smoke it thats unhealthy in itself. all im saying is the research that has been done has not been done on this new shit and they dropped it in the market like it was all good.

    now we got people in my neighborhood breaking into house and stabbing a young girl sleeping on their couch till the police get there.
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    Default Yes, Spice/k2, JWH-018, JWH-073 JWH-200 are synthetic cannabinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by vilify View Post
    The stuff you are referring to, that is used in spice/k2 is not the same as a synthetics cannabinoid. Those synthetics are marijuana like chemicals, and not even close to the same as synthesizing THC, which like i stated earlier, is already being done.

    Marinol -
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000403/
    Nabilone -
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000398/

    Wheras spice/k2 use JWH-018, JWH-073 JWH-200 and other variations of it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018

    JWH effects the body entirely different than THC does.
    So these are just "chemicials" LOL

    You seem confused, please read the links you supplied

    or read the TL;DR version below:

    In a nutshell Marinol and Nabilone are synthetic THC , which in fact does have commercial medical value

    and JWH-018, JWH-073 JWH-200 and other variations are a synthetic cannabinoids, of which the medical value is in question

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    theres a difference between synthesizing THC as a whole, and parts of it.

    JWH = synthesized analogues and metabolites of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
    JWH = full agonist
    THC = Partial agonist

    did i say they were JUST chemicals? Look around you, everything is pretty much a "chemical".

    they are fucking with nature. far beyond what they should be.
    JWH's compound changes every week to remain legal.
    There is a reason natural marijuana works better than marinol. There are 400+ compunds in the marijuana plant working together to balance what it does.

    I am not confused in any way, but you sure seem to be.
    Argue all you want, ive seen people get fucked up, and not in a good way, on spice, and never on marijuana.

    The area of synthetics has been explored, and JWH isnt it.

    "Looking at other synthetics they end up being superior to the natural compound that inspired it"
    Theres a difference between synthetics you put and cars, and synthetics you put in your body. Synthetic medicine will never be better for you than naturals.
    Last edited by vilify; 04-18-2012 at 09:28 AM.

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    Default Going off on unrelated tangents and hijacking threads

    Quote Originally Posted by vilify View Post
    theres a difference between synthesizing THC as a whole, and parts of it.

    JWH = synthesized analogues and metabolites of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
    JWH = full agonist
    THC = Partial agonist

    did i say they were JUST chemicals? Look around you, everything is pretty much a "chemical".

    they are fucking with nature. far beyond what they should be.
    JWH's compound changes every week to remain legal.
    There is a reason natural marijuana works better than marinol. There are 400+ compunds in the marijuana plant working together to balance what it does.

    I am not confused in any way, but you sure seem to be.
    Argue all you want, ive seen people get fucked up, and not in a good way, on spice, and never on marijuana.

    The area of synthetics has been explored, and JWH isnt it.

    "Looking at other synthetics they end up being superior to the natural compound that inspired it"
    Theres a difference between synthetics you put and cars, and synthetics you put in your body. Synthetic medicine will never be better for you than naturals.
    I am not confused at all, although I am struggling to keep this thread on topic. We are talking about K2/Spice and the Synthetic Canabinoids that are used in them.

    Marinol is old news and the medical value of that as you say has proven to me marginal at the least.

    Marinol's Medical Benefits are not in question here, please refer to the subject of this thread for clarification.

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