Mag. deficiency? (Headband, Afghan Kush Ryder, Critical Kush, Cotton Candy)

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

I think I have a magnesium deficiency, but I have no idea. I need to try something quickly as I should have taken care of it at the first sign.
The 2 larger plants are the headband regular seeds - the auto in flowering is an Afghan Kush Ryder and the 2 little ones are a Critical Kush fem and Cotton Candy fem.

Any feedback is much appreciated. I really want to correct any problems before I start flowering.

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EDIT: Sorry about the pics - you can see my original post here https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/789689-i-think-i-have-male-3.html

smokegreenshlt · Feb 14, 2014

Def. pH or lockout.

BCOGYODA · Feb 14, 2014

Gotta know what that soil is they are in and what your feeding regimen is and what ph/ppm you are feeding at to give you any kind of diagnoses or advice.

Dr. Who · Feb 14, 2014

Do you have holes in the bottom of those buckets?
It looks more like TO MUCH P&K to me.....What are you feeding and how much? In Veg?

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

Dr. Who said:
Do you have holes in the bottom of those buckets?
It looks more like TO MUCH P&K to me.....What are you feeding and how much? In Veg?

Yes I do have holes in the bottom of my buckets. The 2 larger ones (Headband) are about 40 days in Veg.

I haven't been feeding them with anything. The soil is

and it says feeds for up to 4 months that's why I was afraid to feed them. (sorry noob here)
I know this soil isn't great or even good - but I had to work with what I could afford at the time. I'm wishing I would have just waited and amended the soil with some other things when I could afford it...

What can I feed these? I also don't have a pH/ppm tester. They looked much more green a few weeks ago, much healthier.

EDIT: I water with filtered water from the fridge or spring water. Mostly the filtered water from refrigerator. Can anyone let me know the cheapest most efficient way of testing the pH/ppm of the water and or soil?

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

BCOGYODA said:
Gotta know what that soil is they are in and what your feeding regimen is and what ph/ppm you are feeding at to give you any kind of diagnoses or advice.

Thanks for your response. Please see the reply above. Thanks everyone

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

I've been to several stores like 5 times trying to find something to use to mix in the water for feeding, but it's all miracle grow it seems like...

Any advice?? I'll be able to order something off Amazon tomorrow if that helps...

JohnDee · Feb 14, 2014

Beachside,
With soil incorporating time-released nutrients, it's highly unlikely that you have any kind of deficiency and if you put anything in there...(with the possible exception of a small amount of Epsom salts) will only make it worse. You've limited your options using that soil. So maybe add 1/2 tsp Epsom salts (from the drug store) per gallon of water. And no other added nutes, being sure you allow a good wet/dry cycle and hope that the plants will outgrow the soil.
JD

Dr. Who · Feb 14, 2014

Yeah your kinda stuck with what you've got......even if you add a microbe supplement it may just push the timed released nute to far to fast......keep on watering with straight water and they'll finish out ok....You might consider going straight to flower right now! that may temper out the excess P&K down the road some....

Like I said,, they'll finish out.....just flip to flower.

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

I took some more pics for anyone that is looking at this - any input is appreciated. This is one of the Headbands that I think might be a male, anyways I took some closeups of different issues.
You can see the heat stress (this has been corrected) on one area.

Question: Should I feed him/her with spring water or filtered water (don't know the pH) or should I go to this local nursery tomorrow (I haven't been here yet, but it looks good) and get something to add to my water?

I should be able to order a cheap pH tester from Amazon unless someone can suggest something else?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help. This looks bad compared to my first grow. I didn't have any of these issues.

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

Dr. Who said:
Yeah your kinda stuck with what you've got......even if you add a microbe supplement it may just push the timed released nute to far to fast......keep on watering with straight water and they'll finish out ok....You might consider going straight to flower right now! that may temper out the excess P&K down the road some....

Like I said,, they'll finish out.....just flip to flower.

Thanks for the advice! Same to you JohnDee, I will try the epsom salts and perhaps switch it very soon.

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

Another question: If it turns out one is male and one is female - would the process of producing seeds instead of flowering take longer??? Or does this depend on the strain and other factors?

EDIT: Also I just posted new pics on the previous page in case anyone skipped over. It's the last post on that page if your settings are like mine I guess

JohnDee · Feb 14, 2014

BeachSide,
On your previous grow, were you in soil with time release nutrients? I don't need an answer, but if not, that's the explanation for why they did better.

Sorry man, but you have toxic soil that's overfertilized from the time release stuff. Look at the pictures. Super dark green (esp. picture 3) and tip burn and deficiency symptoms (lockout). You can't flush and not only that, you need to be careful not to overwater because the more you water...the more nutes are released.

I wouldn't get spring water. It's often loaded with minerals. I don't even think Epsom salts are a good idea now. Just water gently and allow to dry between and pray they survive. Or you could do a radical maneuver and remove them from that soil...wash off the roots and stick them in normal soil with no time released nutrients. Yes it will be traumatic, but staying in that soil may kill them. How many months of nutrient do they have left?
JD

BCOGYODA · Feb 14, 2014

Ya timed release soils are no good for mj. Better to get a very cheap soiless peat based mix next time which has pretty much next to no nutrient value then feed with proper nutes. Looks like you have both ph and ppm (nute strenght) issues.

The only other thing you could do which is risky is transplant them to a soiless peat mix by gently and carefully raising the plants with root balls out of those planters then very carefully shaking off the loose soil from them then re planting in proper soiless mix. That soil is burning them and fucking them up.

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

I'm going to do it. It's worth it to me. I will be transplanting soon. Thanks guys.

What about a soil like FoxFarm Happy Frog?: http://www.amazon.com/2-Cubic-Feet-FoxFarm-Happy-Potting/dp/B0032JPA2E
Or Ocean Forrest Mix FoxFarm?: http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Potting-Soil-Forest-FoxFarm/dp/B000AXPUDE/

Is this time released soil?

EDIT: My previous grow I used Miracle Grow moisture control believe it or not. Maybe it was better back in 2005?
I noticed last grow that the soil also had a lot more perlite. The only reason I purchased it was because it was the most expensive they offered at the time. I was 18/19 years old and basically just picked up some stuff from trolling a forum that was shutdown a while ago... It was an awesome forum and I'm sure a lot of you guys could be from there.

JohnDee · Feb 14, 2014

"For container gardening, it’s almost impossible to beat FoxFam’s line of potting soils and soil conditioners. Everything you need for successful growing is right in the bag. With ingredients like earthworm castings, bat guano, and Pacific Northwest fish and crab meal, all in a mixture of forest humus, sandy loam, and peat moss your plants get a great start and the nourishment they need and the light aerated growing medium that helps them thrive."
Products include:

Ocean Forest Potting Soil – A unique soil for outstanding results.
Happy Frog Organic Potting Soil – Organic soil for container gardening.

The ocean forest is a little stronger. If you're planning on flowering them soon after recovery from transplant...and hope to boost the P and K for flowering, then I'd suggest the happy frog.

For the transplant, if you have a large tub you can fill with warm water...you can gently dip the rootzone to get most of the old soil off. That's the least traumatic...though a little soil left behind won't be a major issue. If I were in your shoes, I'd be doing the same thing.
Good luck,
JD

BeachSide321FL · Feb 14, 2014

JohnDee said:
"For container gardening, it’s almost impossible to beat FoxFam’s line of potting soils and soil conditioners. Everything you need for successful growing is right in the bag. With ingredients like earthworm castings, bat guano, and Pacific Northwest fish and crab meal, all in a mixture of forest humus, sandy loam, and peat moss your plants get a great start and the nourishment they need and the light aerated growing medium that helps them thrive."
Products include:

Ocean Forest Potting Soil – A unique soil for outstanding results.

Happy Frog Organic Potting Soil – Organic soil for container gardening.

The ocean forest is a little stronger. If you're planning on flowering them soon after recovery from transplant...and hope to boost the P and K for flowering, then I'd suggest the happy frog.

For the transplant, if you have a large tub you can fill with warm water...you can gently dip the rootzone to get most of the old soil off. That's the least traumatic...though a little soil left behind won't be a major issue. If I were in your shoes, I'd be doing the same thing.
Good luck,
JD

Exactly what I needed to read. I will definitely be dipping the roots in some warm water during the transplant process.
Now to figure out how much Happy Frog I actually need - and if I can get it cheaper locally than the links to Amazon I posted above...

Thanks I appreciate the timely response a lot!

BeachSide321FL · Feb 15, 2014

Here are some pics of the others taken today.

The first 3 are of the Headband that I believe to be female
#4,5,6 are the Afghan Kush Ryder
#7 is the Cotton Candy fem and lastly #8 is the Ciritcal Kush fem that doesn't seem to be doing so well after transplanting into those containers compared to the Cotton Candy.

EDIT: Unfortunately I won't be able to do any transplanting until Monday or even Wednesday

JohnDee · Feb 16, 2014

Beachside,
Some look better then others...which is due to the different strains. They look like they'll survive till you can get them transplanted. They'll go through a little growth stall period while growing new roots and getting used to the new soil. But careful not to add any nutrients for a long time. That Fox Farm soil should take them up to after the 12/12 stretch and after that...maybe you could ease in some basic flower nutrients if they look like they could use it.
Peace and Good luck,
JD

BeachSide321FL · Feb 17, 2014

JohnDee said:
Beachside,
Some look better then others...which is due to the different strains. They look like they'll survive till you can get them transplanted. They'll go through a little growth stall period while growing new roots and getting used to the new soil. But careful not to add any nutrients for a long time. That Fox Farm soil should take them up to after the 12/12 stretch and after that...maybe you could ease in some basic flower nutrients if they look like they could use it.
Peace and Good luck,
JD

Thanks John. The Cotton Candy is really taking off, she's over 12" for sure and has some very nice healthy looking growth. The Critical Kush on the other hand basically looks like a runt now :/

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