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    Question dark stripes between leave veins and purpleing stem veins

    hey everyone, i new here and am here because i got a problem and my quest for knowledge so far didnt deliver any results,

    i got this one plant that has dark, nearly black, stripes along the space between the leave veins, right in the middle of the plant, not on top nor at the bottom, but its spreading, the leaves feel papery and are slightly rolling upwards and are "taco-ing"
    those leaves are also surrounded by veins that start to turn purple

    the plant is like 6 month old (lol ya...) and survived a few frosty nights, had stunted grow but got back on track
    about a month back i put it into freshly prepared soil (50/50 garden earth and bought 6,5ph bog earth... sorry didnt know it was bog stuff when i bought it... but well its good for the plants afterall), but bottomed up by clay which made me believe it might be some kind of root rot so i transplanted it and the roots looked quite fine to me, freshly white

    i searched for bugs and the like and found some mites i think but killed em off (guess the spider mites and earth fleas and leave worms and bloody ants and their cattle are under control atm XD)

    watering is currently done by rain, otherwise when the earth feels really dry and is breaking up, being dry when i put a finger in

    problem plant
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    neighbouring plant seems ok (maybe a bit nitrogen deficency)
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    id really hate to loose it as its one of two probably good seeds i still had in some box in comparision to the rest which are some african landraces or somin and it got back on track so nicely after staying tiny and small for a few month, anyway since i so far did not find anything close to this than maybe mag def which would be light stripes not dark ones im currently inclined to just kill it off to protect the rest of my flock

    so if anyone has an idea wth that is please lemme know
    thanks

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    day 2:

    update:

    changed location by 15inch to the north
    gently added just a tiny bit of liquid bio fertilizer and it rained a bit more >.< (bloody summer... wheres that sun i heard so much about?)

    the red circle seems to idicate a growth or reinforcement of the problem
    the other circles rather the opposite or no change at all

    in comparision to the time it took it to appear at all, basicly over night, maybe 2 days without me noticing, its a really slow change and could mean replanting it or adding the nutes fixed her or the replanting just stalled the problem since growth now appears more concentrated in the root system which i obviously cant see lol

    gotta keep watching

    saw that table with the deficency appearance on leaves and still couldnt make out what the heck dark spots on inveinal tissue means

    heeeelp please... or is it maybe just some super duper weird strain? ...would be awesome lol (honestly doubt it tho)

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    sorry they got resized... hard to see the difference now :/
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    Looking at the def charts I would say zinc is a possability, but first you need to figure out wheather its the ph that is preventing the plant from uptaking the nutes or if there is just not enough nutrients available.

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    i doubt its zinc, its deficency would turn the veins dark not the interveinal tissue according to this chart:
    Cannabis Nutrient Deficiency Info - Printable PDF

    phosphor maybe but according to the chart again it would also affect especially veins not the interveins like my baby does
    gosh wish i had studied biology not that useless other stuff XD

    getting a ph tester sounds about right tho its totally weird because the other plants right around it are all fine and they use the very same soil, especially now that i added some nutes yesterday and replanted this one, the slight yellowing on the rest went away and they look happy now, just not this one

    but it could be that the soil inside the rootball itself is totally off ph wise and causing those problems, since it got replanted all around my garden till i had the perfect spot where it felt content ...pardon me, "seemed" to be content

    mmh guess ill have to truly get me a ph meter and test the soil inside the rootball? i cant just flush it and check the drainage water without stressing here by digging her up

    thx for the input

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    they are shouting FEED ME! give them a well balanced fertilizer with plenty of Nitrogen and micronutrients. that will fix your problems, after you stop digging them up. once a plant is in soil, let her stay, and treat the soil. every time you grab your shovel your plants die a little inside.

    the soil you are planted in needs some fertilizers and organic material, but since youre outdoors, you got options. are you an experienced gardener or a noob?
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    That thing is all kinds of deficient. Needs nourishment.
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    mmkkaay... dinner for the pack it is then,
    do you think if i dig in some onion skins and stuff all around that this would attract earthworms and break up fast enough? had pine needles turn to sweet earth in like 2 month...
    oh and i planted some onions between em now to deter more pests -.-

    as for my experience... grown weed since before even smokin it lol, never seen that leave look...
    but im no pro by no means... just like watching em evolve... and having some for free over winter

    currently feeding with coffee on a daily base to attract earthworms (their poo is awesome) and to deter snails
    lowers ph a lil but then i usually add a thin dust layer of charcoal and ash after BBQs... which there were not many this year due to rain...
    in addition they get a lil liquid bio ferti with a balanced mix that worked fine in the past years when they turn yellow too much before bloom
    sadly got no compost and had to buy earth... made a mistake and bougt cheap earth at first and my chilli and cucumber field suffers badly... cant use its nutes very much, prolly a horribly ph totally off the record, but my ladies at least got only the best soil to dwell in ^_^

    and ya i hate replanting them too
    but this time it went well, only a few inches and i think i got most of her roots... petted her a lil after and told her all would be fine... she liked that i hope, or maybe she just finds me annoying and thats her emo dress

    so... now on to fight the other pests... seems like a bloody plague this year, got mites on a few, leave driller worms on another, herms on my biggest ones and ants with teir lil cattle all over... oh and a flea made swiss cheese out of one... heck a mice dug up my tomatoes and my chilli got crappy earth, add birds that eat all my berries and no sun in sight and it sucks ass to be honest lol

    need to move to a new planet -.- ...bloody climate change

    thx again... will try it out

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    coffee grounds can turn good soil acid real fast. i only use that stuff in my worm farm (makes worms work harder, even if they are jittery) if you dont have a compost heap, you should make one. its a great way to get rid of last year's spent foliage.

    a worm farm is a handy way to turn kitchen scraps into worm castings for free, plus you get bonus worms for your plants, and the "juice", which is a badass all around fertilizer and beneficial microbe source.

    make a worm farm. Heres what you need

    25-30 gallon tote with lid, not too deep
    some railway sized gravel
    1-2 shovels of potting soil (for the base)
    a screw in nozzle with sealant
    a short stretch of tubing to fit your nozzle. like 2 feet or so
    some kitchen vegetable scraps, grass clippings, or spent schwag from your last grow.
    coffee grounds
    a box of red wigglers

    put the nozzle through the side of the tote like 1/4 inch from the bottom, and plug on the hose.
    toss in some gravel to make a drainage bed like 1-2 inches deep
    throw in 2 inches of potting mix
    toss in some coffee grounds.
    throw in your kitchen vegetable scraps schwag and whatnot.
    toss in the wigglers (nightcrawlers are too big for potted plants, and dont reproduce as fast)
    tuck the hose under the tote lid to keep it upright, and keep the lid from snapping down.

    from here on out, just keep adding kitchen scraps, and keep it moist (you prolly wont have to add water if you use lotsa vegetables or have spent schwag from your hash making)
    when you see more than 1 inch of fluid in the tube, tap it out, and mix it with lotsa plain water. your plants will love it.
    any time you need a few worms for a potted plant, catch a few and drop em in your plant
    when the volume of digested material becomes sufficent, you can shovel it out, and set it in the sun in a thin layer to dry. (catch the worms and send them back home)
    when it's dry, you just made homemade worm castings, the most expensive and luxurious fertilizer on the planet! mix it into your soils, sprinkle it on top of established plant's root zone, or dissolve it in water to use like liquid fertilizer.

    worms will eat any plant material, and especially love coffee grounds, carrot peels and wilted lettuce. they reproduce fast, and when run properly, your worm farm should be odorless.
    you can use the worm farm to make miracle grow potting mix into the best soil you ever used, turn horse goat or sheep turds (herbivores only please) or bird guano into premium soil.

    warning, do not EVER put meat, dairy or fish scraps in your worm farm!


    add a few chickens to your yard and youll get all the bug patrolling, chicken shit making and egg laying action you could hope for from these helpful and delicious household pets.

    a 3x3 doghouse can make a fine coop for 5 chickens easy. let them patrol your yard for bugs and weeds (they love seedlings, but ignore full sized plants if well fed) and every few weeks scoop the coop for poop, and youll be in tall cannabis before you know it.

    these 3 sources of organic nutrients makes the most successful soil i ever used, add a little horse shit here and there and your yard will be green as fuck.

    Use this for your bug problems:

    in a saucepan on the stove, simmer

    3 cups water
    a large handful of peppermint leaves and stems
    6 cloves fresh garlic finely minced (no powdered garlic! it doesnt work and clogs your sprayer!)
    3 tablespoons (or more) cayenne pepper flakes

    simmer for 45 minutes strain through a cloth (piece of old T-shirt works good) let cool and pour into sprayer add 1 tablespoon biodegradable dish soap, top off sprayer with water put on a dust mask and ski goggles (super important) and Spray Thoroughly on both sides of leaves!
    Dont saturate your soil, as this stuff is not good for your earthworms and other friendly soil creatures.

    Wash hands thoroughly with soap before touching eyes mouth genitals or butthole (really really hot stuff)

    it's non toxic (just spicy as hell) and washes off with water easily do not use on your buds unless you're a masochist. wash any produce before eating. and seriously, wash hands with soap before wiping your ass or holding your dick.

    once a week will keep aphids slugs snails deer squirrels and whiteflies in check like a motherfucker.

    Warning: may attract Hispanic, Thai, and Punjabi cuisine aficionados. do not store near salsa fixins or noodles and shrimp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Kynes View Post
    coffee grounds can turn good soil acid real fast. i only use that stuff in my worm farm (makes worms work harder, even if they are jittery) if you dont have a compost heap, you should make one. its a great way to get rid of last year's spent foliage.

    a worm farm is a handy way to turn kitchen scraps into worm castings for free, plus you get bonus worms for your plants, and the "juice", which is a badass all around fertilizer and beneficial microbe source.

    make a worm farm. Heres what you need

    25-30 gallon tote with lid, not too deep
    some railway sized gravel
    1-2 shovels of potting soil (for the base)
    a screw in nozzle with sealant
    a short stretch of tubing to fit your nozzle. like 2 feet or so
    some kitchen vegetable scraps, grass clippings, or spent schwag from your last grow.
    coffee grounds
    a box of red wigglers

    put the nozzle through the side of the tote like 1/4 inch from the bottom, and plug on the hose.
    toss in some gravel to make a drainage bed like 1-2 inches deep
    throw in 2 inches of potting mix
    toss in some coffee grounds.
    throw in your kitchen vegetable scraps schwag and whatnot.
    toss in the wigglers (nightcrawlers are too big for potted plants, and dont reproduce as fast)
    tuck the hose under the tote lid to keep it upright, and keep the lid from snapping down.

    from here on out, just keep adding kitchen scraps, and keep it moist (you prolly wont have to add water if you use lotsa vegetables or have spent schwag from your hash making)
    when you see more than 1 inch of fluid in the tube, tap it out, and mix it with lotsa plain water. your plants will love it.
    any time you need a few worms for a potted plant, catch a few and drop em in your plant
    when the volume of digested material becomes sufficent, you can shovel it out, and set it in the sun in a thin layer to dry. (catch the worms and send them back home)
    when it's dry, you just made homemade worm castings, the most expensive and luxurious fertilizer on the planet! mix it into your soils, sprinkle it on top of established plant's root zone, or dissolve it in water to use like liquid fertilizer.

    worms will eat any plant material, and especially love coffee grounds, carrot peels and wilted lettuce. they reproduce fast, and when run properly, your worm farm should be odorless.
    you can use the worm farm to make miracle grow potting mix into the best soil you ever used, turn horse goat or sheep turds (herbivores only please) or bird guano into premium soil.

    warning, do not EVER put meat, dairy or fish scraps in your worm farm!


    add a few chickens to your yard and youll get all the bug patrolling, chicken shit making and egg laying action you could hope for from these helpful and delicious household pets.

    a 3x3 doghouse can make a fine coop for 5 chickens easy. let them patrol your yard for bugs and weeds (they love seedlings, but ignore full sized plants if well fed) and every few weeks scoop the coop for poop, and youll be in tall cannabis before you know it.

    these 3 sources of organic nutrients makes the most successful soil i ever used, add a little horse shit here and there and your yard will be green as fuck.

    Use this for your bug problems:

    in a saucepan on the stove, simmer

    3 cups water
    a large handful of peppermint leaves and stems
    6 cloves fresh garlic finely minced (no powdered garlic! it doesnt work and clogs your sprayer!)
    3 tablespoons (or more) cayenne pepper flakes

    simmer for 45 minutes strain through a cloth (piece of old T-shirt works good) let cool and pour into sprayer add 1 tablespoon biodegradable dish soap, top off sprayer with water put on a dust mask and ski goggles (super important) and Spray Thoroughly on both sides of leaves!
    Dont saturate your soil, as this stuff is not good for your earthworms and other friendly soil creatures.

    Wash hands thoroughly with soap before touching eyes mouth genitals or butthole (really really hot stuff)

    it's non toxic (just spicy as hell) and washes off with water easily do not use on your buds unless you're a masochist. wash any produce before eating. and seriously, wash hands with soap before wiping your ass or holding your dick.

    once a week will keep aphids slugs snails deer squirrels and whiteflies in check like a motherfucker.

    Warning: may attract Hispanic, Thai, and Punjabi cuisine aficionados. do not store near salsa fixins or noodles and shrimp.
    HAHAHA, if any of the above ingredients have somehow came in contact with curry, be on the lookout for cab drivers and convenience store operators. That being said Ive been looking for a bug deturent, Put garlic cloves in water raw and sprayed. Goona go check plants this wknd will update on status.

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    sounds like an awesome salsa for sure :P

    not sure if i gonna buildt that worm farm, reminds me of some norwegian movie lol, nah honestly i prolly gonna sell this house next year so no real point in building all those nice things yet, but ill keep it somewhere cause it sounds too awesome not to build eventually

    and i agree and have to reinforce that line: DO NOT EVER PUT DAIRY FISH OR MEAT ON A COMPOST!!!!
    and that line: DONT TOUCH YOUR DICK AFTER MAKING CHILLI!!!!! ...so true

    as for coffee, i read that it only lowers the pH marginally and rather equalizes the pH instead of simply lowering it, however, didnt use a pH tester so far and cant speak for certainty, will reduce the coffee till i find out more, those aint thais... at least afaik lol

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