and here is a picture of my other plant (I have FIM it so got like 6 shots in the top and 4 more is really shooting up fast from the side)
same look, new leaves look funny
fist time indoor growth (26 days from germination)
seed: violator kush
Soil: light mix (PH 6,2)
nutriens: floraduo (but have only been feeting it once and very lightly 1/4 strengs)
watering: with normal tab water at normal room temperature adjusted to a ph of 6.5 (only use ground water in my country so no chlorine in it at all)
light: 6x5" 49w T5 HO tubes (4x 6500K and 2x 2700K = total of 27,900 Lumen) 2-5 inches away
ventilation: 2 fans (one table fan in the room pointet away from the plants and one tower fan that is adding fresh air in to the room, the room is open in the top 1-2 inches to let old/hot air out)
humidity and temperature : around 40-45% and 75-78f at day and about 72-75f at night
question: right from the start my leaves have been looking "funny" or is it just me ?
like they are curling and twisting a little ? special new shoots/leaves
please tell me what you think
plant have been LST a littel to make more shoots (6-7 coming up nicely)
Last edited by Slipon; 05-18-2012 at 02:40 AM. Reason: forgot to add some
as u noticed urself , its a start of micronutrient ( mg/ca/zn ) deficiency , from the pic i can say that the pot u use is shallow , plz check for root bound
ahh thanks for the quick answer bonjo
I will check immediately, as I do have some 4 gallon containers ready, was just planning on doing the repotting in like 2 weeks from now 1-2 weeks before flowering, but I guess I can changes that plan if it is root bound (by that you do mean that the roots have grown all the way down the pot .. right ? sorry Im nub)
could that stun the growth and make the leaves look like that ?
@ going to check and repot .. will report back asap.
@ take a smoke after all that hard work .. ahhh
roots as you expected was all the way down the pot (1 gallon pot) sorry forgot to take a picture (all dirty hands aso)
but it was full of small white thin roots all the way down and around also around the small leca nuts/stones in the bottom !
did`t want to touch it too much, so I did only shake it a little to let the loose ones drop off before replanting.
hope thats ok ?
so it have like ½ a inch of leca stones in the middel of the new pot.
had to add like twice as much dirt as it was in so hopefully this pot will support it to the end ???
did only water with normal 6,5 ph water .. no nuts only a little yucca to let the roots take up the water more easily.
so now I actualy got another question
as I was just beginning to start on nutrients (1/4 strengs) and was planning to go ½ strenges next week.
but now I just added 2/3 new dirt (light mix) to the pot.
schould I continue to add nutrien evry seccon time or wait like 14 days (4 watering or so) to begin to add it agin ?
if so Im almost in to flowering before Im up to full level of nutriens before I have to switch to flowering nutriens :S ?
Hey there Slipon! Pretty nice plants by the way not too bad. 4rm the look of it, it look's like your growing numerous seeds together in one big pot-I know that can't be just one plant(unless topped)? 27,900 Lumens? Wow! I have only 4,000 Lumens dishing out of my 2tube T-5 Structure. A lot of people starting out think that they need to get those high wattage lights when in fact you don't really need all that much. Check0ut my plant@6Wk's(1month/2wk's) - 6Wks In The Making
Less light(not too less) is more(@least in the veg stage) because the plant grows while in search of more light. If you do decide to use lights such as Metal Halide 0r HPS(high pressure sodium) then keep them way above. I have a High Pressure Sodium light in my bathroom and I would keep my plant under it sometimes about 3ft away and after hours of exposure, the plants became dehydrated, droopy(of course) and just sad looking putting a whole lot of stress on the plant And that was 3ft away! Everyone's set-up is different I know but "I ain't got time for play'in I'm just say'in"! I will continue to use my T-5 2tube and the natural sunlight(when possible) and maybe HPS light for a couple hrs if that and I should be good. Flowering is going to be more of a challenge however. Well keep doing your homework and I hope you succeed in your growing endeavors.
Journeying Towards The Buds...
T5 Designer 2ft. 2Tube Fixture
4000 Lumens 120 volts 48Watt 0.4Amp
and yea not to bad looking for a fist indoor grow (have done some outdoor many years ago tho so have some knowleges)
but you know, allways looking for perfection (I do anyway) and more knowledge.
and no it is not numerous plants, I have 2 plants in total, 1 in each pot
tho I have FIM one (6 new tops and 4 more side shoots comming up)
the other one (the one I just replantet and the one with most problems and smallest pot to begin with) is LST and have like 6-7 shoots comming up thats why it look like that ..
some pics from a few weeks back
and the one I FIM .. pic from a few days ago
about the light, well I work as a metal worker and one day, a month ago or so I saw our electrician changing the outside light fixtures ..
had been playing with the idea of starting a indoor grow for a long time (tired of buying it) so I ask him later in the day when I meet him, what he was doing with them old once, he said he was going to throw them out !!!! as they wher broken (the plastick around em )
so I got em for free 3 pices of 2 bulb each.
and when I open them up to strip them for the broken plastick aso. I notice to my big surprise it was 49w t5 HO !
as we only run "normal" T8 36W indoor at the factory .. so as you can imagen I was happy going home with 3 fixtures for free
just cost me around 50$ to fit 6 new tubes in them (4x 6500K and 2x 2700K each with 4650 lumen or sumthing like that)
tho I also just got a 600W HPS (2100K I belive) but I will keep that for late flowering (maby do as you ?) have been thinking of the same thing, runn it for a few hours a day or so.
the T5 when Im not at home and then add the 600W HPS for like the last 4 hours of the day along with the T5 for side lighting maybe ? (can easily make sumthing at work to hold it so its easy to move)
or just use it all for the last 4 weeks of flowering or so ? if I can crontrole the heat ?????
I'd say as well on your first two pics it's a little CaMg deficiency, are you using RO water? If you are you'll want a CaMg supplement. Also the second pic looked like it could use a little N as well.
Root bound means that the roots have run out of room to grow and are just wrapping around the inside of the pot. It sounds like you changed it just on time. And I would still go half strength on your nutes even though you repotted.
ahh ok thanks a lot doctor
so I continue with ½ strenges nuts
RO water ?
I use normal tap water, but I let it stay night over to get normal temperature and add PH down to get it from like 7,5-8 to 6,5ish and I add a littel yucca to break the water tension.
(I live in scandinavia, we got realy clean tab water, have allways been able to drink it right out of the tab no problems atall, its ground water from 30 meters down 1000 of years old so its pretty much total clean, water cleaning plant then runn it trough 2 diffrent filters, thats all, nothing added, even on ther home pages they brag about ther water quality)
CaMg erm .. just to sound realy nubish . what is that ? calsium/magnesium ? dont the nutriens hold that ?
and yea I guess I was just in time for repotting, tho been looking around now at some other pictures and I can see it could have been a lot wors , but I guess thats why I was just in time, ther wher roots all around the pot but not as tick as some of the pictures I just saw, mine was like 70% dirt and 30% roots if you can say so ? them I saw was like half and half and even some who was totaly covert in roots !)
Oh, sorry I guess I forgot to ask what nutes you were using as well lol. RO water means reverse osmosis, or filtered water. But if you're using clean tap water and letting it sit out 24 hours you are good there. The filter cleans the water, but also takes out minerals as well. And yes, CaMg is calcium and magnesium.
You're using GH right? Their organic line has a really good CaMg, but I don't know much about using synthetic nutes. The yucca is good, I use Aloe vera juice for the same thing.