Marijuana deficiency table and report

PANGcake

Active Member
This is a repost since I fkd up the first thread trying to post the "table"! I don't ask people here in the forums on "MJ plant problems", I turn to this table and report. When asking in forum u may very well get 10 different answers, who is right, right? :lol: Also, thanks to agenthex who helped me get the table right...

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SYMTOMS              N   P   K   Ca  S   Mg  Fe  Mn  B   Mb  Zn  Cu  Over fert.
Yellow upper leaves  -   -   -   -   YES -   YES -   -   -   -   -   -
Yellow middle leaves -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   YES -   -   -
Yellow lower leaves  YES YES YES -   -   YES -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Red stems            YES YES YES -   -   YES -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Necrosis             -   -   YES -   -   YES -   YES YES -   -   YES -
Spots                -   -   -   -   -   -   -   YES -   -   -   -   -
Growing shoots die   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   YES -   -   -   -
White leaf tips      -   -   -   -   -   YES -   -   -   -   YES -   -
Stunted growth       -   YES -   YES -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Deformed new growth  -   YES -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
Yellow leaf tips     -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   YES
Twisted growth       -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   YES -   -   -   -
NITROGEN (N) Pale plants, red stems, smaller growth. Rapid yellowing of lower leaves progressing up the plant. Add any chemical fertilizer containing N. Treated plants recover in about a week.

PHOSPHORUS (P) Slow or stunted growth, red stems. Smaller leaves that are dark green. Lower leaves yellow and die. Add chemical fertilizer containing P. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will apear normal.

POTASSIUM (K) Affected plants are usually tallest and appear to be most vigorous. Necrotic spots form on lower leaves. Red stems. Leaves appear pale or yellow. Add chemical fertilizer containing K.

CALCIUM (Ca) Lack of calcium in the soil results in the soil becoming too acid. This leads to Mg or Fe deficiency or very slow stunted growth. Treat by foliar feeding with one teaspoon of dolomatic lime per quart of water until condition improves.

SULFER (S) Plants suffering from S definciencies exhibit yellowing of new growth. Mix one tablespoon of Epsom salts per gallon of water until condition improves.

MAGNESIUM (Mg) Lower leaves yellow and may even turn white while veins remain dark green. Blades die and curl upward.

IRON (Fe) Leaves on growing shoots turn pale and veins remain dark green. pH imbalances make iron insoluble. Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water.

MANGANESE (Mn) Necrotic and yellow spots form on top leaves. Mn deficiency occurs when large amounts of Mg are present in the soil. Foliar feed with any chemical fertilizer containing Mn.

BORON (B) Growing shoots turn grey or die. Growing shoots appear burnt. Treat with one teaspoon of Boric acid (sold as eyewash) per gallon of water.

MOLYBDENUM (MO) Yellowing of middle leaves. Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing MO.

ZINC (Zn) White areas form at leaf tips and between veins. Occurs in alkaline soils. Zn deficiency can be treated by burying galvanized nails in the soil. Chemical fertilizer containing Zn can also be used.

OVER FERTILIZATION Causes leaf tips to appear yellow or burnt. To correct soil should be flushed with three gallons of water per one gallon of soil.

Nutrient Disorders

Nutrient disorders are caused by too much or too little of one or several nutrients being available. These nutrients are made available between a pH range of 5 and 7 and a total dissolved solids (TDS) range of 800 to 3000 PPM. Maintaining these conditions is the key to proper nutrient uptake.
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Nutrients Over twenty elements are needed for a plant to grow. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed from the air and water. The rest of the elements, called mineral nutrients, are dissolved in the nutrient solution. The primary or macro- nutrients (nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P) and potassium (K)) are the elements plants use the most. Calcium (Ca) and magnesium (Mg) are secondary nutrients and used in smaller amounts. Iron (Fe), sulfur (S), manganese (Mn), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and copper (Cu) are micro-nutrients or trace elements. Trace elements are found in most soils. Rockwool (hydroponic) fertilizers must contain these trace elements, as they do not normally exist in sufficient quantities in rockwool or water. Other elements also play a part in plant growth. Aluminum, chlorine, cobalt, iodine, selenium, silicon, sodium and vanadium are not normally included in nutrient mixes. They are required in very minute amounts that are usually present as impurities in the water supply or mixed along with other nutrients.
*NOTE: The nutrients must be soluble (able to be dissolved in water) and go into solution.
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Macro-nutrients Nitrogen (N) is primary to plant growth. Plants convert nitrogen to make proteins essential to new cell growth. Nitrogen is mainly responsible for leaf and stem growth as well as overall size and vigor. Nitrogen moves easily to active young buds, shoots and leaves and slower to older leaves. Deficiency signs show first in older leaves. They turn a pale yellow and may die. New growth becomes weak and spindly. An abundance of nitrogen will cause soft, weak growth and even delay flower and fruit production if it is allowed to accumulate.
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Phosphorus (P) is necessary for photosynthesis and works as a catalyst for energy transfer within the plant. Phosphorus helps build strong roots and is vital for flower and seed production. Highest levels of phosphorus are used during germination, seedling growth and flowering. Deficiencies will show in older leaves first. Leaves turn deep green on a uniformly smaller, stunted plant. Leaves show brown or purple spots.
NOTE: Phosphorus flocculates when concentrated and combined with calcium.
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Potassium (K) activates the manufacture and movement of sugars and starches, as well as growth by cell division. Potassium increases chlorophyll in foliage and helps regulate stomata openings so plants make better use of light and air. Potassium encourages strong root growth, water uptake and triggers enzymes that fight disease. Potassium is necessary during all stages of growth. It is especially important in the development of fruit. Deficiency signs of potassium are: plants are the tallest and appear healthy. Older leaves mottle and yellow between veins, followed by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. Flower and fruit drop are common problems associated with potassium deficiency. Potassium is usually locked out by high salinity.
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Secondary Nutrients Magnesium (Mg) is found as a central atom in the chlorophyll molecule and is essential to the absorption of light energy. Magnesium aids in the utilization of nutrients, neutralizes acids and toxic compounds produced by the plant. Deficiency signs of magnesium are: Older leaves yellow from the center outward, while veins remain green on deficient plants. Leaf tips and edges may discolor and curl upward. Growing tips turn lime green if the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant.
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Calcium (Ca) is fundamental to cell manufacture and growth. Soil gardeners use dolomite lime, which contains calcium and magnesium, to keep the soil sweet or buffered. Rockwool gardeners use calcium to buffer excess nutrients. Calcium moves slowly within the plant and tends to concentrate in roots and older growth. Consequently young growth shows deficiency signs first. Deficient leaf tips, edges and new growth will turn brown and die back. If too much calcium is applied early in life, it will stunt growth as well. It will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium.
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Trace Elements Sulphur (S) is a component of plant proteins and plays a role in root growth and chlorophyll supply. Distributed relatively evenly with largest amounts in leaves which affects the flavor and odor in many plants. Sulphur, like calcium, moves little within plant tissue and the first signs of a deficiency are pale young leaves. Growth is slow but leaves tend to get brittle and stay narrower than normal.
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Iron (Fe) is a key catalyst in chlorophyll production and is used in photosynthesis. A lack of iron turns leaves pale yellow or white while the veins remain green. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves slowly within the plant. Always use chelated (immediately available to the plant) iron in nutrient mixes.
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Manganese (Mg) works with plant enzymes to reduce nitrates before producing proteins. A lack of manganese turns young leaves a mottled yellow or brown.
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Zinc (Z) is a catalyst and must be present in minute amounts for plant growth. A lack of zinc results in stunting, yellowing and curling of small leaves. An excess of zinc is uncommon but very toxic and causes wilting or death.
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Copper (C) is a catalyst for several enzymes. A shortage of copper makes new growth wilt and
causes irregular growth. Excesses of copper causes sudden death. Copper is also used as a fungicide and wards off insects and diseases because of this property.
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Boron (B) is necessary for cells to divide and protein formation. It also plays an active role in
pollination and seed production.
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Molybdenum (Mn) helps form proteins and aids the plant's ability to fix nitrogen from the air. A
deficiency causes leaves to turn pale and fringes to appear scorched. Irregular leaf growth may also result.
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These nutrients are mixed together to form a complete plant fertilizer. The mix contains all the
nutrients in the proper ratios to give plants all they need for lush, rapid growth. The fertilizer is
dissolved in water to make a nutrient solution. Water transports these soluble nutrients into contact with the plant roots. In the presence of oxygen and water, the nutrients are absorbed through the root hairs.
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The above text is excerpted from George Van Pattens' excellent book "Gardening: The Rockwool Book".

Key on Nutrient Disorders

To use the Problem-Solver, simply start at #1 below. When you think you've found the problem, read the Nutrients section to learn more about it. Diagnose carefully before
making major changes.

1. (a) If the problem affects only the bottom or middle of the plant go to #2.
(b) If it affects only the top of the plant or the growing tips, skip to #10. If the problem seems to affect the entire plant equally, skip to #6.

2. (a) Leaves are a uniform yellow or light green; leaves die & drop; growth is slow. Leaf margins are not curled-up noticeably. >> Nitrogen (N) deficiency.
(b) If not, go to #3.

3. (a) Margins of the leaves are turned up, and the tips may be twisted. Leaves are yellowing (and may turn brown), but the veins remain somewhat green. >> Magnesium (Mg) deficiency.
(b) If not, go to #4.

4. (a) Leaves are browning or yellowing. Yellow, brown, or necrotic (dead) patches, especially around the edges of the leaf, which may be curled. Plant may be too tall. >> Potassium (K) deficiency.
(b) If not, keep reading…

5. (a) Leaves are dark green or red/purple. Stems and petioles may have purple & red on them. Leaves may turn yellow or curl under. Leaf may drop easily. Growth may be slow and
leaves may be small. >> Phosphorous (P) deficiency.
(b) If not, go to #6.

6. (a) Tips of leaves are yellow, brown, or dead. Plant otherwise looks healthy & green. Stems may be soft >> Over-fertilization (especially N), over-watering, damaged roots, or
insufficient soil aeration (use more sand or perlite. Occasionally due to not enough N, P, or K.
(b) If not, go to #7.

7. (a) Leaves are curled under like a ram's horn, and are dark green, gray,
brown, or gold. >> Over-fertilization (too much N).
(b) If not, go to #8…

8. (a) The plant is wilted, even though the soil is moist. >>Over-fertilization, soggy soil, damaged roots, disease; copper deficiency (very unlikely).
(b) If not, go to #9.

9. (a) Plants won't flower, even though they get 12 hours of darkness for over 2 weeks. >> The night period is not completely dark. Too much nitrogen. Too much pruning or cloning.
(b) If not, go to #10...

10. (a) Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
(b) If not, #11.

11. (a) Leaves are light green or yellow beginning at the base, while the leaf
margins remain green. Necrotic spots may be between veins. Leaves are not twisted. >> Manganese (Mn) deficiency.
(b) If not, #12.

12. (a) Leaves are twisted. Otherwise, pretty much like #11. >> Zinc (Zn)
deficiency.
b) If not, #13.

13. (a) Leaves twist, then turn brown or die. >> The lights are too close to the plant. Rarely, a Calcium (Ca) or Boron (B) deficiency.
b) If not… You may just have a weak plant.

Solutions to Nutrient Deficiencies

The Nutrients:

Magnesium - Mg-deficiency is pretty common since marijuana uses lots of it and many fertilizers don't have enough of it. Mg-deficiency is easily fixed with ¼ teaspoon/gallon of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water) or foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart. When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil for Mg. Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.

Nitrogen - Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients. Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.

Potassium - Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.

Phosphorous - Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Red petioles and stems are a normal, genetic characteristic for many varieties, plus it can also be a co-symptom of N, K, and Mg-deficiencies, so red stems are not a foolproof sign of P-deficiency. Too much P can lead to iron deficiency.

Iron - Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.

Manganese - Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use
chelated Mn.

Zinc - Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc.

Check Your Water - Crusty faucets and shower heads mean your water is "hard,":wall: usually due to too many minerals. Tap water with a TDS (total dissolved solids) level of more than around 200ppm (parts per million) is "hard" and should be looked into, especially if your plants have a chronic problem. Ask your water company for an analysis listing, which will usually list the pH, TDS, and mineral levels (as well as the pollutants, carcinogens, etc) for the tap water in your area. This is a common request, especially in this day and age, so it shouldn't raise an eyebrow. Regular water filters will not reduce a high TDS level, but the costlier reverse-osmosis units, distillers, and de-ionizers will. A digital TDS meter (or EC = electrical conductivity meter) is an incredibly useful tool for monitoring the nutrient levels of nutrient solution, and will pay for itself before you know it. They run about $40 and up. General Feeding Tips - Pot plants are very adaptable, but a general rule of thumb is to use more nitrogen & less phosphorous during the vegetative period, and the exact opposite during the flowering period. For the veg. period try a N:P:K ratio of about 10:7:8 (which of course is the same ratio as 20:14:16), and for flowering plants, 4:8:8. Check the pH after adding nutrients. If you use a reservoir, keep it circulating and change it every 2 weeks. A general guideline for TDS levels is as follows: seedlings = 50-150 ppm; unrooted clones = 100-350 ppm; small plants = 400-800 ppm; large plants = 900-1800 ppm; last week of flowering = taper off to plain water. These numbers are just a guideline, and many factors can change the actual level the plants will need. Certain nutrients are "invisible" to TDS meters, especially organics, so use TDS level only as an estimate of actual nutrient levels. When in doubt about a new fertilizer, follow the fertilizer's directions for feeding tomatoes. Grow a few tomato or radish plants nearby for comparison.

PH - The pH of water after adding any nutrients should be around 5.9-6.5 (in rockwool, 5.5-6.1) . Generally speaking, the micro-nutrients (Fe, Zn, Mn, Cu) get locked out at a high pH (alkaline) above 7.0, while the major nutrients (N, P, K, Mg) can be less available in acidic soil or water (below 5.0). Tap water is often too alkaline. Soils with lots of peat or other organic matter in them tend to get too acidic, which some dolomite lime will help fix. Soil test kits vary in accuracy, and generally the more you pay the better the accuracy. For the water, color-based pH test kits from aquarium stores are inexpensive, but inaccurate. Invest in a digital pH meter ($40-80), preferably a waterproof one. You won't regret it.

Other Things…

Cold - Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can lock up phosphorous. Some varieties, like equatorial sativas, don't take well to cold weather. If you can keep the roots warmer, the plant will be able to take cooler temps than it otherwise could. Heat - If the lights are too close to the plant, the tops may be curled, dry, and look burnt, mimicking a nutrient problem. Your hand should not feel hot after a minute when you hold it at the top of the plants. Raise the lights and/or aim a fan at the hot zone. Room temps should be kept under 85F (29C) -- or 90F (33) if you add additional CO2. Humidity - Thin, shriveled leaves can be from low humidity. 40-80 % is usually fine. Mold and fungus - Dark patchy areas on leaves and buds can be mold. Lower the humidity and increase the ventilation if mold is a problem. Remove any dead leaves, wherever they are. Keep your garden clean. Insects - White spots on the tops of leaves can mean spider mites underneath. Sprays - Foliar sprays can have a "magnifying glass" effect under bright lights, causing small white, yellow or burnt spots which can be confused with a nutrient problem. Some sprays can also cause chemical reactions. Insufficient light -- tall, stretching plants are usually from using the wrong kind of light.. Don't use regular incandescent bulbs ("grow bulbs") or halogens to grow cannabis. Invest in fluorescent lighting
(good) or HID lighting (much better) which supply the high-intensity light that cannabis needs for good growth and tight buds. Even better, grow in sunlight. Clones - yellowing leaves on unrooted clones can be from too much light, or the stem may not be firmly touching the rooting medium. Turn off any CO2 until they root. Too much fertilizer can shrivel or wilt clones - plain tap water is fine.


Good luck!

:peace: //CaL
 

Jonus

Well-Known Member
Nutrient disorders are caused by too much or too little of one or several nutrients being available


While that may be true for plants grown outside, all general purpose fertilizers contain enough nutrient to keep plants alive and healthy. The biggest cause of deficiencies in marijuana grown in soil type grow mediums is soggy roots and/or over feeding resulting in stressed and/or drowned roots. When plants are subjected to this type of abuse their metabolism slows and/or the root system slows and stops uptaking any nutrient from the soil medium. Continued feeding into the soil medium then leads to salinity buildup and toxicity of everything since the plant has ceased consuming any of what is being fed to its roots.

Sadly many soil type growers have been convinced that the answer to every plant ill is to purchase.....either a nutrient additive or a piece of digital equipment. If growers experience a deficiency, the first port of call needs to be self examination not plant examination. Am I over caring my plants to death. As in, am I over feeding my plants, or allowing my plants to stay for long periods of time in soggy root conditions. If so then your plants are probably locking out nutrient and no matter how much you feed into the root area, the plants will not recover from that unless you allow them time to recover by flushing and allowing the root medium to completely dry out giving the roots a needed rest.

Hydroponic substrates like coco and rockwool to a lesser degree mitigate this overwatering factor but using those substrates is less straight forward and inexperienced growers will run into other problems using them under the same feeding regimes as soil type growing.

The most beneficial method of growing in soil/soiless mediums is to simulate drought. That means allowing pots to go completely dry before thorough watering with run off, then allowing to go completely dry again and so on. This changes the way plants think about consuming nutrient and storing moisture. This is a common technique used by commercial food crop growers and results in bigger yields and more economical grows. Added to that is allowing the plants to tell you when they are wanting more or less food and water. For example chemical companies sell PK products for boost feeding your plants during budding. Typically they say to add their PK product around week 4 of flowering. This is because marijuana begins its bud growth spurt around week 4 of an 8 week flowering period.

Using PK earlier might cause bud stunting. The best way to do it is to wait for the plants to actually shift into this week 4 mode rather than going by some arbitrary day counting exercise. Plants metabolism will change during week 4, sometimes as late as week5 in an 8 week flowering cycle, which will result in pots going dry faster as plants uptake manifoldly increases. This is the indicator to wait for before increasing your feeding with pharmaceutical products such as PK, or K boosters etc. Sativas of course have a longer flowering period and this shift in gears may not happen until week 6 or week 7.

Aside from that, the other semi-common reason for a deficiency is a lack of useable calcium in nutrient products sold in shops. Cannabis needs fuck loads of chelated calcium during flowering and a lack of calcium will cause plants to lock out phosphorous and the other symtoms you listed above. So once the self dianostic is done and you have past that test, then the next thing to do is have a look at the chemical breakdown on the nutrient bottle and see what levels of CaO, CaCO or Ca2 are. If the levels are low or non-existant then you need to find something that has calcium in it to add in during budding to make up for the lack of available calcium. Many chemical companies do not include calcium in their nutrient because of the way it reacts with other substances in their chemicals - that is more associated with storing chemicals in concentrated form. Some sell calcium as a separate additive, others split their nutrient into an A&B formula to separate out the calcium for long term storage reasons.
 

PANGcake

Active Member
Overfeeding results in too much of one or many nutrients, i.e "Nutrient deficiencies are caused by too much...//...of one or many nutrients avaiable to the plant". Soggy soil conditions and soggy damaged roots, that make the plant uptake of nutrients fail, the plant uptake becomes less of a certain available nutrient hence a nutrient deficincy due to "...too little of one or many nutrients available". Thats how I see it...but I'm hella baked atm... =)
Great post Jonus! +rep :bigjoint:
 

PANGcake

Active Member
Someone comented on this thread: "Invaluable post!" In what way, I think it suits in this forum pretty well? Give me some constructive criticism instead to make the thread valuable instead of trolling...:roll:
 

Kriegs

Well-Known Member
Sadly many soil type growers have been convinced that the answer to every plant ill is to purchase.....either a nutrient additive or a piece of digital equipment. If growers experience a deficiency, the first port of call needs to be self examination not plant examination.

Added to that is allowing the plants to tell you when they are wanting more or less food and water. For example chemical companies sell PK products for boost feeding your plants during budding. Typically they say to add their PK product around week 4 of flowering. This is because marijuana begins its bud growth spurt around week 4 of an 8 week flowering period.

Using PK earlier might cause bud stunting. The best way to do it is to wait for the plants to actually shift into this week 4 mode rather than going by some arbitrary day counting exercise. Plants metabolism will change during week 4, sometimes as late as week5 in an 8 week flowering cycle, which will result in pots going dry faster as plants uptake manifoldly increases.
Some of the best advice I've seen on RIU; and I've seen a lot. Awesome..

I just cherry-picked my favorite parts; so much good stuff in there.
 

Jeeyah

Well-Known Member
The most beneficial method of growing in soil/soiless mediums is to simulate drought. That means allowing pots to go completely dry before thorough watering with run off, then allowing to go completely dry again and so on. This changes the way plants think about consuming nutrient and storing moisture. This is a common technique used by commercial food crop growers and results in bigger yields and more economical grows. Added to that is allowing the plants to tell you when they are wanting more or less food and water. For example chemical companies sell PK products for boost feeding your plants during budding. Typically they say to add their PK product around week 4 of flowering.

I like this.
 

PANGcake

Active Member
If you have something valuable to say, like Jonus, and something that brings new info up that havent allready been said in this thread...feel free to post to help people out!

//CaL
 

badja

Active Member
I think its important to add for new growers that although the drought method is in my opinion by far the best way of feeding your plants, Unless you have provided your plants with near perfect conditions it can also be very risky. For example if the temperature in your grow space is quite high and you fail to feed your plants before they become too dry, you will find your plants will begin to burn and crisp up, in some instances extremely quickly i.e 24 hours as iv found to my own expense. Great info Guys, i myself will be taking down a copy of that table for future reference.
 

PANGcake

Active Member
I think its important to add for new growers that although the drought method is in my opinion by far the best way of feeding your plants, Unless you have provided your plants with near perfect conditions it can also be very risky. For example if the temperature in your grow space is quite high and you fail to feed your plants before they become too dry, you will find your plants will begin to burn and crisp up, in some instances extremely quickly i.e 24 hours as iv found to my own expense. Great info Guys, i myself will be taking down a copy of that table for future reference.
That is true...if u wanna do the "draught" method u must know on the hour when ur plants might need feeding. If u let them sit say another day after they shoulda been fed, they most likely wont bounce back if its a warm dry enviroment. I feed my plant when leaves are droopy. I use this table and report together w comon sense, I've never asked any1 in theese forums on MJ plant deficiency, trial and error! :blsmoke: I think that another important thing to point out other than what has been said in this thread so far is: Don't over read ur plant(s)
At first sign of anything not appearing normal....keep it cool, read the table and report, figure out where u went wrong, soil, watering, nutes etc. then make a change. Don't be hasty! :eyesmoke: And don't ask people whats wrong and show them a picture. As u can see if read table and report, few deficiencies show same signs so if u post a picture here asking, how are people gonna know "the whole story", they can only guess whats wrong, unless u write a book...my best tip if u want other peoples opinion is to make a grow journal from day 1 explaining in detail everything u do day-by-day, set up, nutes etc. and include pictures...use a proxy server if u are affraid of posting stuff in a forum like this.

:peace: //CaL
 

Barrelhse

Well-Known Member
Good information here. If I may add, I've found that many of these symptoms can result from pH problems that cause nutrient lockout. If you find your pH needs adjusting, DON'T feed the plant. All the necessary nutes are probably in the soil waiting to be used when the pH is corrected; adding more to treat symptoms will make the problems much worse. One other recurring issue is fungus gnats. The larvae eat roots, so young plants tend to be pale and sickly. If seedlings are yellowing for no apparent reason, you might want to check for these miserable pests as well.
 

PANGcake

Active Member
Good information here. If I may add, I've found that many of these symptoms can result from pH problems that cause nutrient lockout. If you find your pH needs adjusting, DON'T feed the plant. All the necessary nutes are probably in the soil waiting to be used when the pH is corrected; adding more to treat symptoms will make the problems much worse. One other recurring issue is fungus gnats. The larvae eat roots, so young plants tend to be pale and sickly. If seedlings are yellowing for no apparent reason, you might want to check for these miserable pests as well.
pH is a big problem for many growers. I use a soil w 6,0 pH and mix it with perlite w pH 6.5-7.0, let it sit for 2-3 days before i plant anything in it...I dont use a pH pen, I use pH drops that I "calibrated" w my friends pH pen, and it's accurate enough, flushed 2 ladies for their last time yesterday w pH 6,5 water and run off was pH 6,5...good job CaL ;) Also many people use nutrients too soon, soil I use has enough for the first 3-4 weeks...I only use Super Vit first few weeks.
Read on your bag of soil and it will tell you what pH it has. If it says as example 5,5-6,5 I wouldnt use it. This means the soil is baddly mixed w a reading of pH w that big "range". I recomend for beginners to use a soil w pH above 6,2 and below 6,7. This will suit most cannabis strains good. And make sure the soil u use has micro nutrients and not just N-P-K and calcium and magnesium, this is comon on cheaper brands bought at super markets. A great soil I have used is BioBizz all mix, pH 6,2-6,6 and it's allready mixed w perlite. I have found an even better domestic brand that I've been using for some time. It's cheaper than BioBizz, half price, packed w macro and micro nutrients, I just add 10-15% perlite. It's the "reference soil" used here in all kinda soil tests carried out over here and it is even "hotter" than BioBizz saving me $$$ on the nutes :-P Water at pH 6,5, pH'd AFTER ADDING NUTRIENTS!!!

This should be made a sticky post or a please read first.... Good work!
Thx! The key is good for "beginners" to locate their problem.

Exactly. I wish there were pictures of SUBTLE deficiencies, not pictures of plants 3/4 dead that looked like they were pissed on by a sick coyote. Great post.
Thx! Maybe I should start taking pics of deficiencies and problems I come across?
 
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