ph of 7 i think is neutral just where it should be now move to the next most obvious cause..hate to say this, has to be a process of elimination at times

I am now thinking that they just need a dose of everything. I didn't change the dirt on all of them last time. Not sure though. I'm getting the green veins now. Even my mother plant who has been in the miracle gro time release dirt for about 6 months is showing the dark veins and lighter rest of the leave. Magnesium right? Just seems maybe I should be starting with something fresher for dirt. Should I try the Epsom salt first?

So I checked the ph of my water both before and after going through the pot. Before was 6.8 and after was 7.2. Gave half of my small vegging plants a watering with 2 tbsp. of epsom salt per gallon H2O. The other half I used regular water. Can definitely see a mag def in the mothers so I gave them a watering with it too. I will let everyone know how it turns out. Could anyone answer my question about whether or not 4x4 pots are enough for the SOG method?

Thanks

yes, agreed, about that time, but please, start low, 1.4 strength. lack og K, Mg, and Ca. they r hungry.

What would you reccomend to use as a fertilizer? I'll be getting some fox farms but probably not soon enough. Something from this list maybe?
Bayer Advanced Garden 2 in 1 Systemic Rose & Flower 8-12-4
Bayer Advanced Garden All in One w/systemic 9-14-9
Bayer Advanced 12 Month Tree & Shrub Protect & Feed 2-1-1
Bio-tone Starter Microbial Plant Food 3-0-0
Bio-tone Starter Plus All Natural Plant Food 4-3-3
Blood - Dried 12-0-0
Bonemeal 4-12-0
Bonsai Plant Food Chrysal 4-6-6
Bulb Tone 4-10-6
Cock a Doodle Doo 4-2-3
Cottonseed Meal 6-1-1
Country Cottage Cow Manure 1-1-1
Desert Bat Guano 8-4-1
Dried Blood 12-0-0
Dyna Gro Bloom Plant Food 3-12-6
Dyna Gro Liquid K-L-N Rooting Concentrate .009-.011-.006
Dyna Gro Liquid Grow Plant Food 7-9-5
Dyna Gro Pro-Tekt 0-0-3
Earthworm Castings 1-0-0
Electra Plant Food 5-10-3
Espoma Quick Solutions Garden Food 5-10-5
Essential Plant Food 1-0-1
Fertilome Root Stimulator & Plant Starter Solution 4-10-3
Fertilome Start - N - Grow Premium Plant Food 18-6-12
Fertrell Super N 4-2-4
Flower Tone 3-5-7
Garden Food 5-10-5
Garden Food 10-10-10
Garden Manure 1-1-1
Garden Tone 4-6-6
GMF 10-10-10 10-10-10
GMF 5-10-10 5-10-10
Greensand 0-0-.1
Hoffman Dehydrated Super Manure 4-2-2
Holland Beauty Supreme Bulb Food 9-9-6
Hollytone 4-6-4
Ironite 1-0-1
Ironite Liquid Plant & Flower Food 7-6-6
Jack's Classic All Purpose 20-20-20
Jack's Classic Blossom Booster 10-30-20
Jobes Fertilizer Spikes 10-10-4
Jobes Fertilizer Spikes Fruit & Citrus 10-15-15
Kelp Meal 1-0-2
Milorganite 6-2-0
Miracid 30-10-10
Miracle Gro African Violet Plant Food 7-7-7
Miracle Gro All Purpose 15-30-15
Miracle Gro All Purpose Nursery Select 20-20-20
Miracle Gro Bloom Booster 15-30-15
Miracle Gro Evergreen Fertilizer Spikes 12-6-12
Miracle Gro Houseplant 8-7-6
Miracle Gro Houseplant Food Tablets 15-20-15
Miracle Gro Liqua Feed 12-4-8
Miracle Gro Potting Mix .21-.07-.14
Miracle Gro Quick Start 4-12-4
Miracle Gro Rose Plant Food 18-24-16
Miracle Gro Shake & Feed 10-10-10
Miracle Gro Tomato Plant Food 18-18-21
Miracle Gro Tree & Shrub Fertilizer Spikes 15-5-10
Moo Doo .5-.3-.5
Moo Plus 1-1-1
Neptune's Harvest Crab Shell Multi-Purpose Fertilizer 2-3-0
Neptune's Harvest Fish & Seaweed Fertilzer 2-3-1
Neptune's Harvest Fish Fertilzer 2-4-1
Neptune's Harvest Seaweed Fertilizer 0-0-1
Nitro-10 10-0-0
Organic Bonsai Fertilizer 4-6-2
Osmocote Azaela Camellia Rhododendrun 9-6-6
Osmocote Outdoor & Indoor 19-6-12
Osmocote Vegetable & Bedding 14-14-14
Penn Mulch 1-3-1
Peter's African Violet Plant Food 12-36-14
Peter's All Purpose Plant Food 24-8-16
Peter's Azaela, Camellia, & Rhododendrun Plant Food 24-12-12
Peter's Mum Food 26-12-18
Peter's Orchid Food 30-10-10
Plantabbs Pondtabbs Aquatic Plant Food 10-14-8
Plant Tone 5-3-3
Preen Garden Weed Preventer Plus Fertilzer 9-17-9
Pro Gro 5-3-4
Pro Holly 4-6-4
Pro Start 2-3-3
Rain Grow 4-2-3 Fertilizer 4-2-3
Repellex Bulb Saver Systemic Tablets 5-10-5
Repellex Fertilizer Tablets 14-2-2
Rock Phosphate 0-3-0
Roots transplant 1-step 2-2-2
Rose Tone 6-6-4
Ross Root Feeder refills for Evergreens 10-20-20
Ross Root Feeder refills Lush Fruit & Nut Trees 9-46-15
Ross Root Feeder refills Roses & Flowering Shrubs 15-25-10
Ross Root Feeder refills Trees & Shrubs 25-10-10
Ross Root Feeder Refills w/Iron 5-35-10
Schultz Cactus Plus Liquid Plant Food 2-7-7
Schultz Orchid Food 19-31-17
Schultz Plant Food Plus 10-15-10
Sulphate of Potash 0-0-50
Tomato Maker 4-2-6
Tomato Tone 4-7-10
Tree Tone (organic base) 9-5-4
Triple Phosphate 0-46-0
Urea 45-0-0


This is from the local grow store.

Thanks

fox farms is best but out of that list...
Bio-tone Starter Plus All Natural Plant Food 4-3-3
Dyna Gro Liquid Grow Plant Food 7-9-5
Ironite Liquid Plant & Flower Food 7-6-6
Rose Tone 6-6-4
Pro Gro 5-3-4
Peter's Azaela, Camellia, & Rhododendrun Plant Food 24-12-12
Osmocote Azaela Camellia Rhododendrun 9-6-6

...remember 2 things-1-you need miniscule amounts-forget the label recomendations
2-the higher the NPK concentrations, i.e. higher the 1-1-1 the less you needs. serioulsy, you need a tad. this stuff can burn.

Thanks. Now the pro gro is organic so it would take awhile for it to work right?

a bit, skip that one.