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forums; Originally Posted by RainbowBrite86 OK so they broke in, without a warrant or probable cause is what you said, right? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowBrite86 View Post
    OK so they broke in, without a warrant or probable cause is what you said, right? Did they say they had cause and you're refuting that or did they not specify why they came in?

    For the religion part, the 100 people you can subpeona would be useless unless they were experts on the Rig Veda. Them taking the stand and saying "he's been saying this is a sacrament to him since he was 14" isn't sufficient if they can't explain how it's a sacrament. And a good lawyer is going to insist that anyone speaking on the Rig Veda be what the court considers an expert on it, meaning they're going to have to have some educational background to support that. I'm only giving you my honest opinion, shaggy. If I thought these would work i'd be the first one to say go get em tiger, I really would. It's great that the Universal Life Church accepts all faiths, but it's going to hold very little weight in court because the screening process is literally nonexistent. Also, the Universal Life Church would have to be willing to go to bat for you in court, and my guess would be they'd get the news, renounce you as a minister, and wash their hands of the whole situation.
    They just CAME in, and said they saw a post on Facebook that said we were having a party. That was a complete lie, they never showed the post, or a screen shot, or print out of it: NOTHING. It DID NOT EXIST, and they had no warrant anyways. It was just a lie for incase they found something.

    You are wrong. My witness' do not have to know how it is a sacrament, the supreme court has said OVER AND OVER that our faith can not be brought into detailed question in court. They CAN'T do that, if they do I file a motion and win the case. DONE.

    You are mistaking "The need for an expert" with "My witness' " And many of them DO have educational backgrounds, as I said before many are therapists, psychologists, etc.

    And it doesn't matter if the universal life church doesn't hold up in court. You don't have to be a minister to take a sacrament. The fact that I'm a minister is just another "What the fuck are you doing coppers?"

    THEY are the criminals here, that is at least true and can/needs to be proven.
    And I am almost positive I can legalize (actually it's already legal religiously, I just have to prove it) marijuana along the way, because of the way they went about getting it, and the way I have always used it.
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    Another thing a lawyer is going to bring up is does the Rig Veda "approve" marijuana use, or does it "require" marijuana use to be able to perform a specific religious action? If it only "approves" it, they're going to throw it out. My religion approves stoning prostitutes. But I can't do that, because it's illegal. I'll give a better example. Some sectors of the Mormon church "approve" bigamy. They do not "require" bigamy to practice their religion. The law takes priority over religion, so they are not allowed multiple spouses even though their religion approves it and it's not hurting anyone else.
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    you are living a fallacy. . . . .. . keep it up .. .

    no point in arguing with a fool . .. . .

    if your so sure your gonna win then go back to texas .. . .

    oh but thats right .. . "its not time yet"

    how about this

    your facade is showing. . . .. . have fun being a joke. like your plants you care for so much

    and any grower can look at how you grow and tell you dont care about the plant . .. . and with the amount of abuse you do to your plants any claims of respect for the plant of the gods by you is a joke, try explaining that in court after you go on about how much your plant in sacred to you, as you produce crap bud from a unhappy plant

    and trust me your plants dont appreciate your love of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finshaggy View Post
    They just CAME in, and said they saw a post on Facebook that said we were having a party. That was a complete lie, they never showed the post, or a screen shot, or print out of it: NOTHING. It DID NOT EXIST, and they had no warrant anyways. It was just a lie for incase they found something.

    You are wrong. My witness' do not have to know how it is a sacrament, the supreme court has said OVER AND OVER that our faith can not be brought into detailed question in court. They CAN'T do that, if they do I file a motion and win the case. DONE.

    You are mistaking "The need for an expert" with "My witness' " And many of them DO have educational backgrounds, as I said before many are therapists, psychologists, etc.

    And it doesn't matter if the universal life church doesn't hold up in court. You don't have to be a minister to take a sacrament. The fact that I'm a minister is just another "What the fuck are you doing coppers?"

    THEY are the criminals here, that is at least true and can/needs to be proven.
    And I am almost positive I can legalize (actually it's already legal religiously, I just have to prove it) marijuana along the way, because of the way they went about getting it, and the way I have always used it.
    Your religion can be scrutinized in court if it is your defense. I'm not saying the legalization of marijuana through the avenue of religion is impossible or that it will never happen. I'm saying in this case, I do not believe it's going to work. That is just my honest opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finshaggy View Post
    They just CAME in, and said they saw a post on Facebook that said we were having a party. That was a complete lie, they never showed the post, or a screen shot, or print out of it: NOTHING. It DID NOT EXIST, and they had no warrant anyways. It was just a lie for incase they found something.

    You are wrong. My witness' do not have to know how it is a sacrament, the supreme court has said OVER AND OVER that our faith can not be brought into detailed question in court. They CAN'T do that, if they do I file a motion and win the case. DONE.

    You are mistaking "The need for an expert" with "My witness' " And many of them DO have educational backgrounds, as I said before many are therapists, psychologists, etc.

    And it doesn't matter if the universal life church doesn't hold up in court. You don't have to be a minister to take a sacrament. The fact that I'm a minister is just another "What the fuck are you doing coppers?"

    THEY are the criminals here, that is at least true and can/needs to be proven.
    And I am almost positive I can legalize (actually it's already legal religiously, I just have to prove it) marijuana along the way, because of the way they went about getting it, and the way I have always used it.
    OK so they've claimed probable cause and you're refuting their probable cause. Shaky. I'm not mistaking the need for an expert witness. You do not "need" an expert witness. And i'm not saying none of your witnesses would have any educational background. I'm saying that unless they DO have some kind of educational background regarding the religious practices contained in the Rig Veda, they will only be character witnesses. And character witnesses aren't very productive in carrying your case. If the Universal Life Church doesn't hold up in court, your minister status doesn't either, which means you'd have to be an active member of an established church that requires, not just approves of, but requires the use of marijuana for it's religious practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowBrite86 View Post
    Another thing a lawyer is going to bring up is does the Rig Veda "approve" marijuana use, or does it "require" marijuana use to be able to perform a specific religious action? If it only "approves" it, they're going to throw it out. My religion approves stoning prostitutes. But I can't do that, because it's illegal. I'll give a better example. Some sectors of the Mormon church "approve" bigamy. They do not "require" bigamy to practice their religion. The law takes priority over religion, so they are not allowed multiple spouses even though their religion approves it and it's not hurting anyone else.
    It REQUIRES marijuana use.

    There are religious ceremonies, holidays, and everything marijuana IS TO BE USED. Not attacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finshaggy View Post
    It REQUIRES marijuana use.

    There are religious ceremonies, holidays, and everything marijuana IS TO BE USED. Not attacked.
    It requires it. OK give me a minute to google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowBrite86 View Post
    Your religion can be scrutinized in court if it is your defense. I'm not saying the legalization of marijuana through the avenue of religion is impossible or that it will never happen. I'm saying in this case, I do not believe it's going to work. That is just my honest opinion.
    No they can't, Please educate yourself on the court cases I named, and you will know what I am talking about.

    Case 1. You can tell everyone you're Jesus, and use that to make money. And they can't ask you if you really think you're Jesus. It's ILLEGAL to ask a question like that about someones religion.

    And I'm not saying I WON'T explain EVERYTHING to them. Because I will.
    I'm just saying they aren't supposed to ask. And I can prove it to them.
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    Alright so your proposed defense is that you use marijuana as required by the spiritual Rigveda text that is related to the Hindu religion? Is that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowBrite86 View Post
    OK so they've claimed probable cause and you're refuting their probable cause. Shaky. I'm not mistaking the need for an expert witness. You do not "need" an expert witness. And i'm not saying none of your witnesses would have any educational background. I'm saying that unless they DO have some kind of educational background regarding the religious practices contained in the Rig Veda, they will only be character witnesses. And character witnesses aren't very productive in carrying your case. If the Universal Life Church doesn't hold up in court, your minister status doesn't either, which means you'd have to be an active member of an established church that requires, not just approves of, but requires the use of marijuana for it's religious practices.
    No. You misunderstand the witness' use.

    They are asked questions like (from me or my lawyer):
    "What was he saying as they brought him in?"
    "What were the required sessions with him like in detention, what did he talk about?"
    "How did he talk about the substance?"
    etc

    Things to let the jury in my County case know I'm REALLY about this.
    And things to let the supreme court know: This was REALLY religious, and they REALLY went in there and attacked me for it and have a history of doing so.
    http://www.rollitup.org/politics/654...ney-texas.html McKinney's Cotton Picker "Ain't nothin gonna stop me now, but my innate inabilitry to progress cognatious thunk."

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