Has Medical Marijuana Peaked?

Ernst

Ernst

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Has Medical Marijuana Peaked?

It seems good to me that we need to get off the "High Horse" of Medical Marijuana and get with legalizing for all.

Here is an article that explores the new reality of the "legalization movement" and also contrasts my own perceptions that our California Medical Marijuana people who one were fighting for legalization are now fat with profits and don't want it completely legalized since they now have a slice of that illegal-potPie

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NORML's outreach coordinator "Radical Russ" Belville thinks so. In his NORML blog, he cites declining public support and a continuing backlash, and asks, "Has medical marijuana gone as far as it can go?"

Here are some excerpts:

A closer examination reveals a reform strategy that has stalled out and may even be in decline. The last election saw Oregon fail to pass a dispensary measure for the second time with about the same support after six years. South Dakota defeated medical marijuana with only 36% support, a drop of 12 points since they tried in 2006. Arizona only barely passed medical marijuana with 50.13% support, when they had previously seen 65% in 1996 and 64% in a 1998 referendum (both of the '90s Arizona Acts were invalidated).

No state followed California’s lead in making marijuana available by doctor’s recommendation for “any other illness for which marijuana provides relief,” instead crafting strict condition lists and patient registries. The West Coast standard of a dozen or more home-grown plants became three to six plants or no home growing at all. The precedent of a half-pound or more of usable medicine became one or two ounces, tracked to the gram and filmed at all times. Courts all across the Ninth Circuit have ruled that medical marijuana use does not protect patients from job discrimination and patients still experience housing, child custody and medical procedure discrimination on a daily basis.

Colorado legislators passed a series of medical marijuana business regulations making it more difficult and expensive to operate a dispensary than a liquor store and impossible to be a personal caregiver who just supplies marijuana to a patient. Montana outright repealed medical marijuana, saved only by a governor’s veto, only to enact new strict regulations to decimate (literally) the medical marijuana program. California localities continue to restrict dispensary operations. Washington’s governor vetoed a dispensary measure. Arizona’s governor is stonewalling implementation of dispensaries. Alaska, Maine, Nevada and Vermont still have fewer than 1,000 protected patients. New Jersey and District of Columbia leaders are dragging their feet and haven’t implemented their programs yet.

Medical marijuana started a revitalization of marijuana activism. But I believe it has reached a point where any future medical marijuana laws will have to be increasingly restrictive.

Until marijuana is supported as a good thing for all and not an evil thing we allow medical exceptions for, medical marijuana patients will remain in second-class citizenship and healthy marijuana smokers will remain behind bars.
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That is right you semi-secure pot farmers and pot-merchants get off your comfortable butts and invest to legalize for us all.


Rights for the People are the only way to go if you want the Green of Weed legal rather than the Green of Greed semi-legal while the rest still lose their properties.
 
smokinrav

smokinrav

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"medical marijuana" is a joke when it costs a patient $20-$40 a gram. Those are drug dealer prices. Keeping profits that high only lends legitimacy to the governments argument. My indoor HPS grown weed costs me less than $200/ounce not counting the cost of the genetics. Outdoor grown is even less expensive because of the higher yields. Keeping up a $5000 to $10000+/lb cost structur is simply glorified drug dealing. Shame on any dispensary that charges those kinds of prices.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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I tend to agree.

Isn't it funny many "No Cannabis Jurisdictions" act with the best interest in keeping the prices high in mind?

More local sales tax from electric sales I assume.
 
ford442

ford442

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nah
there are more and more honestly sick people every hour of every day and they will not stop using their medicine simply because you take away their dispensary or keep the price at $40/gram
also, more people are becoming aware every day that marijuana is an option for them, not less - MS, PTSD, ADD, Alzheimer, curing cancer?
this is not nearly the end, but only the very beginning of the story of a plant that will be studied and used as long as there are human beings alive in the universe!
 
sso

sso

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200 for an ounce?

i grow indoors and it doesnt even cost 200 to make 10 ounces.

totally agree, calling it medicinal marijuana at those prices, is at best a joke. (hey its a plant but you are paying higher prices than drugs years and millions$ in the making (and almost as high a price as for mined gold (process costing millions today (its that difficult) ("dududu im watering a plant and now im going to be rich!""why?""cause alot of sick people are forced to pray those prices or suffer")

but of course, it should be grown outdoors and sold at 5 bux for a pound (invent some big trimming machine lol)

and thats to the recreational users (use the profits of that, to give the medicine free to all the sick people)
 
resinousflowers

resinousflowers

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smokinrav said:
"medical marijuana" is a joke when it costs a patient $20-$40 a gram. Those are drug dealer prices. Keeping profits that high only lends legitimacy to the governments argument. My indoor HPS grown weed costs me less than $200/ounce not counting the cost of the genetics. Outdoor grown is even less expensive because of the higher yields. Keeping up a $5000 to $10000+/lb cost structur is simply glorified drug dealing. Shame on any dispensary that charges those kinds of prices.
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they have staff,bills,tax and rent to pay,those things are not cheap.if they sold for less how could the dispensarys stay open?
 
Cannabisworks

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the medi system is a joke. up here in canada we are about to loose it all. and to thge ones you post about here...the rip off dipsnaries. they want to take our right to grow our own away and hand it to big corps to run/./...what??..isnt the issue with the illegal hiding behind medi cards and making a money making scam? why are no others opening thewir own shoppers drug marts to sell pills. its all a medicine. why is pot ok and pills not if its all classed the same and illegal to even share.
they realy didnt htink about it to well when askin it to be a medici9ne knowing full well its illegal to even share that...not very bright
neither is health canada saying to many organized criminals and illegal activity from it. so were going to let the dispensaries grow it for you and now you cant on your own..and the shop will reg the cost as well they say. so as it is now i cant afford the 9 bux a gram fee. so now they get free run we all know what that will do to the cost. not to mention the ones they say are illegal and outrite criminals are the medi shops and they are about to hand over all my right to criminals growing commercial crap. not sure how the smoke is south side but up here the shops have some of the crapiest stuff ive had in my life. some was still green and wet fresh cut that day...wtf?

wjy does hti sneed to be a bizz. it wasnt intended to be at first. we all rant about pharma and so own wanting to own it al..well look in the mirror. mede shops and the like are exactly the same. the assholes up here have been having private secret meetings with health canada and we arent invited to have a say on the future of MY rights. not the clubs so why are they negotiating for us???
they make claims to be on our side but yet they are taking my right to grow from me..how is that being for us....2 faced stabbed us in the backs., should all be shut down in my opinion. not sure why they dont up here cause 100% illegal/. but we get blamed for crimes. well cops...you know they are illegal and do nothing...isnt that a crime itself to not deal with an illegal activity...can we sue cops for not doing their jobs???...lol
most the shops here arent even medi guys running them. straight up drug dealers...seems our compasson for the sick and injured has turned to greed once again...typical monkeys
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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just get rid of prohabition and never mind makin money on a natural plant. why is it we feel the need to own and posses it all. leave it be. no tax nothing
who can affoird taxes or paying for it with this economy. we need the income first to be able to pay the dum tax they claim will save us..with what job to buy it with.. another well thought out plan. like smokes taxed to hellk..we still buy blackmarket to beat the tax, why would this be diff. id rather go to a dealer that wont charge me a hefty tax...you see what dispensing fee is now on a pill..imagine what it will be for a heavy costing med like this. ..49 bucks to put 20 pill in a bottle. what??..100 for weed to a bag fee plus the weede cost...and its not covered by medical.
who can afford this on dissability also
 
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spandy

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Cannabisworks said:
just get rid of prohabition and never mind makin money on a natural plant. why is it we feel the need to own and posses it all. leave it be. no tax nothing
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Well, I would like "some" type of restrictions on it. Like this, you go to the store and you can buy a tomato and eat it knowing that it isnt going to make you sick, well most days anyway lol. Those types of restrictions that put safe product into consumers hands is the ONLY restrictions I would like to see, and an age limit of course. But I wouldn't be buying it anyway, just want those who are not to get sick on product that was tainted or something.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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why restrict any of it. grow your own like any other produce or veggie and leave us alone. dont make sence to try and control a piece of nature. why dont they for other natural plants. no money in them. all comes down to wanting to own something outrite an d make millions from it or we would try and own any plant. imagine if everyone in the world had to go to you to buy a tomato or tomato plant..wouldnt be long to richville. i dont see why anyone should have to pay 1 red cent for something that grows wild??? why does it need to be in a store.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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cost 200 an oz...ouch..i just saw that...wow. i can buy it on the street for almost half that cost. why would anyone bother if it costs that much to do our own and risk prison.? i thinks its more than the currly bulbs costing so much to grow that
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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smokinrav said:
"medical marijuana" is a joke when it costs a patient $20-$40 a gram. Those are drug dealer prices. Keeping profits that high only lends legitimacy to the governments argument. My indoor HPS grown weed costs me less than $200/ounce not counting the cost of the genetics. Outdoor grown is even less expensive because of the higher yields. Keeping up a $5000 to $10000+/lb cost structur is simply glorified drug dealing. Shame on any dispensary that charges those kinds of prices.
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holy shit! where does bud sell for that much. I want to go there!
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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like was said...why the need for a store. its a plant and should be left to do as we want without needing to pay through the ass for it. sell the shop and give the weed away cheep or free.
and the 40 an hour the so called non profiters pay themselves is why the cost. wished i got 40 an hour to toss buds in a bag and be baked all day.

yikes...20 to 40 a gram..freekin crack prices...lol and its cheeper to grow in the stets but they charge double us up here..never did get that
 
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spandy

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Cannabisworks said:
why restrict any of it. grow your own like any other produce or veggie and leave us alone. dont make sence to try and control a piece of nature. why dont they for other natural plants. no money in them. all comes down to wanting to own something outrite an d make millions from it or we would try and own any plant. imagine if everyone in the world had to go to you to buy a tomato or tomato plant..wouldnt be long to richville. i dont see why anyone should have to pay 1 red cent for something that grows wild??? why does it need to be in a store.
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Okay dude you gotta widen your view a little here.....

When I mean "restrictions" I only mean for those who wish to sell their product on the open free market, like farmers do today. If you don't want to grow for commercial applications, then just grow for yourself and that be that, no one would bother you under my plan, you can still hide out and grow dope in your parents basement dude. But for those people who want to go to a smoke shop and buy theirs there, they have a right to know that they aren't getting some shit that make them sick, thats where the restrictions come into play.

It doesn't need to be in a store, but name one thing thats legal for all to posses and manufacture in this country that isn't in a store? It's called capitalism and this country has favored it for a while now.

And every plant is in a store somewhere, wtf do you think a nursery sells people? Worthless fucking plants thats what, and they make a killin doing it!


And everyone in this country has to option to either buy the tomato from the man and make him rich, or they can grow their own. Amazingly, many of you choose to save the time growing tomatos and you just pay for them at the store. Who's fault is that? lol.

People want free weed, then they can grow their own or get it from their buddies/family, other than that open your wallet because someone had to grow it while you did whatever it was you were doing that wasn't growing.
 
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spandy

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Cannabisworks said:
like was said...why the need for a store. its a plant and should be left to do as we want without needing to pay through the ass for it. sell the shop and give the weed away cheep or free.
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Yeah, and those damn farmers should just give their food away to all the starving people because they need it.
 
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