Jus fucking legalize it ...it hasnt killed anyone..and i think its funny how all you ''stoners'' or anyone who smoke weed say it isnt good for medical use or general..you shouldnt be on this forum if you think that!!

so i just had a thought. what about the reverse situation? Is the push for general use acceptance hurting medical?

I mean if the general public start seeing it as safe for general consumption does that risk the other assumption that its not a medicine harm the movement to get it recognized as such?

The medical movement wouldn't need it recognized, they'll just go ahead and smoke/eat it regardless, just like recreational and medical users have been doing it despite the fact it's illegal. if you look at the countries that have relaxed the laws on medical use, they look like the ones heading for legalization. At the moment people who are in favour of legalizing it (in the more liberal countries eg. Canada, Switzerland, Australia ( I think? ), stands at about roughly half, according to recent polls. In order to sway public opinion on legalizing it, we need to have a much higher %, and one way of getting there is through medical use; this will destigmatize it in the public eye, and more people will realize it's uses, and it's harmlessness.

I campaigned to put medical Marijuana on the 2008 ballot for the State of Michigan. I agree that Legalization is the right thing to do. unfortunately the polls show that is not going to happen right now, a majority of people across the US do favor Medical Marijuana. Folks that need it for a Medical Condition should not have to fear being arrested, while we educate the rest of the folks about Marijuana. Most of the States that have Medical Marijuana Laws, passed them by Ballot Initiative, so they all have different laws. Our's allows the patient or a caregiver (12) maturing plants and 2 1/2 oz of dried marijuana, and rules out stems, seeds, etc (this would include clones beiong excluded). A 'Caregiver' can grow for up to (5) patients (Hmm.. seems to fit my 60 plant flowering setup). The only involvment by anyone else is the issuance of ID cards and the Doctor's recommendation.
Some of the folks that helped get this MMJ on the ballot do not support the legalization of marijuana. Those discussions need to take place lets get this done first.
The only way Medical Marijuana can be hurt by the legalization movement is by us being unprepared. You may have noticed that Romney and others went from saying they are not for Medical Marijuana to saying those folks are pulling the wool over your eyes, they just think this is a way to get it legalized. We have to be prepared to attack them on this issue. The conversation might go something like this.
"I'm glad you brought that up a lot of people think we believe this is a way to get Marijuana legalized and while that is not our intention with this initiative, there are many of us that think that should happen. This initiative 'is' about the Medical use of Marijuana.
In the United States Marijuana is the number one cash crop period. Estimates of 'regular' adult users of Marijuana range as high as 25,000,000 people and last year over 600,000 people were arrrested for possesion of Marijuana. Its estimated 90,000,000 Americans have smoked Marijuan at some time in thier lives. Its obvious the 'public' does not agree with the Federal Governments stand and that has to change. No one should feel they have the right to tell us what we can put in our bodies. Not everyone agrees with this, and while we have a discussion about it, lets stop arresting 'Patients' for getting relief from pain. Lets stop making a women in a wheel chair go to a dark alley to get relief from pain. And then we can have this other discussion. Show some compassion. Many of these folks will be dead by the time we are done talking about it."
The way the Medical Marijuana group[ gets hurt is by the pro-legalization folks not signing the petitions. They stand there and selfrighteously proclaim, "I'm not gonna sign that. I want it legalized, f^&%$ that Medical Shit, make it legal,hahahahahah" THAT SHIT AIN'T FUNNY MAN. You expect folks that don't smoke marijuana to support Medical marijuana and you won't even sign a petition? VV

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you guys might be on to something. if it were legal federaly it would be under lock and key pick it up at the pharmacy.they wouldnt need compassion clubs and probly wouldnt stand for any pharmasutical drug being sold anywhere but at a pharmacy.
also i bet sooner or later if it is accepted as a medicine nationally it would be regulated like any prescription you only get so much per visit. eventually they would make it in pill form and do away with smoking it.or limit use to a prescribed amount/per prescription like other meds

i also think they know that we are on to something with it medically and allow people to e card holders for now until they find a way to monopolize on it.

hopefully i'm wrong

well i'm not saying after legalization, i'm saying on the road to legalization. Perhaps because the general public sees it only as a recreation drug that it has impeded the acceptance as a medicine.

Well, don't we all use it as a medicine in some way?: hump:

Speaking of "compassion clubs"...

A further issue regarding medical marijuana, especially in California, is this concept of "compassion clubs". One of the reasons, in my opinion, that medicalization hasn't progressed further, is CA's adoption of these clubs. Since when do people go to a "club" to take their medication? Since when did taking medication become a "social activity"?

I, for one, was shocked and dismayed, back in the early med marijuana days, when CNN flashed one of their first stories on California's medical marijuana to the rest of these United States. I expected to see visibly ill people approach a "pharmacy" window, show their "prescription card", get their medicine, put it in their purse or pocket, and then proceed to their home to take their medication.

Instead, I and millions of Americans, were shown what appeared for all intents and purposes to be a club or restaurant where people are sitting having drinks, socializing, and smoking marijuana. I was particularly astounded when barefoot, tie-dye shirt and bead wearing young ladys were going from table to table with bowls of buds for these patients to pick and choose from. Everyone looked like they were having a good time.
Nobody looked sick.

And people wonder why America hasn't jumped on the medical marijuana bandwagon. I mean really, who goes to a club to take their medicine? Does your pharmacist offer you a selection of pills and let you choose which to take?

I've never seen or heard of a valium club, or a viagra club, or any club where patients get together to socially share their "medicine". As long as this is the image being shown to the rest of America regarding medical marijuana use, you can forget about this concept being universally accepted.

Using medical marijuana as a stepping stone to get people more accepting of recreational marijuana use is like saying we'll use Oxycontin to get people to be more accepting of recreational heroin use.

Hang on a sec, let me get my suit of armor on...

VG

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listen if your state offers medical mary. you should jump on it we are all sick.
you would feel better to get great quality stuff every time , a selection, clones, in a secure location with no fear of being prosecuted.that is what prop 215 did for ca. so yes med is great. the real argument of the gov. is taxes.if its legal anyone can and would grow it and it wouldnt produce billions in dea drugbust funds like it does now

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doctors that want medical marijuana legal don't tend to want weed to be totally legal because it would be like being able to grow and buy your own medicine from other places besides the doctors office or the pharmacy, i think it should be like when doctors suggested people smoke ciggarets way back when, but in a good way. maybe give patiants a discount or free