
11-01-2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by avlon06 are they putting an age limit on it? | considering you must be 21 or older to enter a liquor store i think it's safe to say yes, and that it will be 21.
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11-01-2007, 01:38 PM
| | Marijuana Toker Marijuana Toker | | Join Date: Oct 2007
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| | C'mon Oregon maybe there's still hope for this country ! | 
11-01-2007, 01:39 PM
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| | yeah you guys better make a good impression out there in OR so the rest of this dam country can get tha ball rollin on that re-legalization what not. CANT WAIT | 
11-01-2007, 01:41 PM
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| | legalization would suck. decrminalize. | 
11-01-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by joemomma Ah, but in the case the shop owners are state sponsored. Not saying that the feds won't mess with the state agencies but that is a pretty sticky situation. | Nothing "sticky" about it. The feds will go after anyone whoever makes the mistaken notion that "states rights" trump federal law, or the US Constitution.
But I'd like to congratulate them for getting a worthless law on the books, if they could get so many people to vote for it!
In all reality, you could have every person in every state vote for any marijuana law they want, but even if these laws passed at the local, state, and federal level, they'd unfortunately never be able to be realized as law. The Constitution in the US is pretty clear on it.
Nice dream, though! | 
11-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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| | I live there... | | I live in Oregon. ...
We already have LEGAL medical pot. ...
No problem. ...
We don't need any more LAWS. ...
Tweekers are the problem. ...
Alex. | 
11-01-2007, 08:10 PM
|  | Veteran Smoker Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by joemomma I think that is exactly what will happen. I think in other states law enforcement will be less excited about arresting people for something that is legal in another state, the fire will spread and it won't be long before state powers start telling the DEA to get fucked. Once several states have legalized then the fed will follow along and then the hold out states won't really have much of a choice. This will be greatly accelerated once other state governments start seeing the Oregon revenues from marijuana tax. |
so being the pessimist that i am....i don't know. i think before anyone on the federal level even considers a change (whether that means for mmj or legalization) it's gonna require at least half the states including all of the largest ones. so california , texas, new york, florida, illinois, ohio, pennsylvania; of those only cali has mmj laws.
that having been said even if things changed the DEA actually has the power to reschedule it. they can't just arbitrarily reschedule but they can submit a requestion to Human Health Services (HHS), who will then study it and recommend a course of action to the DEA. The DEA then has the right to do anything they see fit. the only thing binding the DEA is if the HHS says it should not be controlled the DEA can't control it BUT if the HHS say it should be control as a schedule V drug the DEA has the right to schedule it at any classification it wants. so they could place it right back at schedule I. | 
11-02-2007, 05:19 AM
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| | How many stupid people too high to read the Constitution does it take to legalize marijuana?
Did you know that there is NO SUCH THING as "legal" marijuana in the USA? The only use that could ever even be judged "legal" would be religious use, as that freedom is enshrined in the US Constitution.
Did you also know that marijuana is illegal in the US because of the UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances? (The Great Timothy Leary defeated the Marijuana Tax Act a long time ago)
The UN Convention, of which the US is a signatory member, is an international agreement. An international treaty entered into by the US with almost the rest of the world. It was ratified by the government of the United States.
The US Constitution is quite clear about international treaties. Article Six of the US Constitution reads, in part:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
This second clause says that laws and treaties ratified according to the Constitution are in fact the "supreme law of the land." All courts, local, state, and federal defer to the law of the US Constitution. Even state laws and constitutions are in fact subordinate to federal law.
Under the UN convention, criminal penalties are REQUIRED for cannabis possession and distribution. The DEA operates under federal law, AND the UN Convention. It is their CONSTITUTIONAL duty to enforce the (unpopular and unjust) federal laws on marijuana. Heck, the DEA can enforce marijuana laws in any country, it seems.
So, barring the US withdrawing from the UN, or a Constitutional amendment being made, there's no chance or way marijuana could EVER be "legal".
Decrim. is the best you can hope for.
I just keep thinking of all those times as a much younger man, when people would tell me "if you don't like the laws, then change them." They knew at the time that it was impossible. Some people are still inspired to try and change laws they can't do anything about. I'm glad that I was able to separate "idealism" from "bullchit". So many others can't.
As the US Constitution is written, there is no legal marijuana anywhere in the United States, despite how much you smoke that makes you think that "state rights" matters a fig in the whole scheme.
When it comes to marijuana, there is NO state rights, only the US Constitution and an international treaty that make cannabis criminal. | 
11-02-2007, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by xenu How many stupid people too high to read the Constitution does it take to legalize marijuana?
Did you know that there is NO SUCH THING as "legal" marijuana in the USA? The only use that could ever even be judged "legal" would be religious use, as that freedom is enshrined in the US Constitution. | that's actually not entirely true. there are 4 or 5 people still in the compassionate investigational new drug program who get a monthly tin of mmj from the federal gov't. | 
11-02-2007, 10:29 PM
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| | Obviously xenu just feels like being an arguing stoner...
Fact is the law is up for votes, so lets see what happens.. right? Without having someone high and not so mighty taking everything out of proportion, as if taking steps in any direction of positive marijuana rep is good.
So yes, I will go ahead and probably being residing in OR somewhere by the time this comes to vote. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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