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it should be treated like any other crop... grow as much as you want, however you want to grow, and use all that you care... but if you sell it or run a business with it, you should be taxed like any other person trying to run a business in america is.

i say run it like they do with alcohol now, you can brew all the beer or shine you want as long as you dont sell it.. and if you do sell it it gets taxed and regulated just like any other american agriculture product... keep it prohibited from the youth ( yeah i know, im dick,freakin hypocrite, i was a teen, smoked like a chimney the whole time) cause you dont want a 10yr old buying it...

prohibition in the 20's showed us that outlawing a substance simply gives power and wealth to the criminal orginazations, and greatly increases crime related to the outlawed substance.

the amount of us currency that leaves the country and ends up in the hands of drug lords is more than the GDP of many, many nations in this world. wouldnt it be nice to have that cash and use it to fund more appropiate things such as infrastructure, education, SOCIAL SECURITY???what about the money currently used to house inmates in prison for minor possesion or simply possesion with intent?
the sudden emergence of a new heavy agriculture industry along with the commerce and ancillary businesses that will surely come into being the day of legalization... the economic gain has more and more potential the deeper you look at it.. tourism? major retail branding? creation of badly needed jobs and circulation of currency in a stagnant economy? the more you look at it the more good seems to emerge... and what about the product itself? imagine the quality of strains that will emerge as people compete for business... its a win win situation for everyone but the out of country drug cartels!

the primitive and ignorant position the us government takes on marijuana and other scheduled narcotics/substances is archaic at best, and there is no doubt that it causes more harm than good....
outlawing something is like trying to kill an ant infestation... by stepping on ants on at a time. for every ant you kill theres a thousand you dont even see
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i'm not talking about taxing it if you grow it for yourself... i'm talking about taxing it if you grow it for sale, grown commercially.... it should be treated like lettuce, for example.

it should be taxed and regulated just like fruits and vegetables.

and all those people in jail for growing/selling cannabis, well, i feel for them, but they did break the law, so pay the price...
Yes, that is if you are SELLING it. The Tax & regulate act makes it so even PATIENTS who are growing for their own pain will have to pay taxes for growing it for themselves. Everyone that grows their own will have to pay taxes for it, thats what the act is about. Not just people that selling it.

And your comment about people that are in jail because they grew &/or sold cannabis "did break the law, so should have to pay the price" is a very very disturbing thing to hear a fellow pot smoker say. So all of your dealers SHOULD go to jail because they are breaking the law? Not the laws should change? Not the laws are unjust and you are PISSED about the people that risk EVERYTHING to supply you with a plant that you love to induldge in is behind bars? Wow, sounds like I would never be showing you my grow ops or giving you any tasty homegrown. Because if I got busted you would just shrug your shoulders and say "well, since he was doing something illegal, I guess he has to 'pay the price'." Thats horseshit and completely untolerable. There is a lot wrong with that comment of yours.
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i'm not talking about taxing it if you grow it for yourself... i'm talking about taxing it if you grow it for sale, grown commercially.... it should be treated like lettuce, for example.

it should be taxed and regulated just like fruits and vegetables.

and all those people in jail for growing/selling cannabis, well, i feel for them, but they did break the law, so pay the price...

marijuana is a cheap enough grow to be able to control the costs enough to be able to handle the taxes..... even if it's taxed at the average 8% inventory on hand rate, and taxed at a ridiculous (actually rather normal commercial tax rate)38% of sales rate, the costs would still be very controllable, and there would be a profit margin of nearly 20-30%...easily....

hell, if every single other industry has some sort of regulation and taxation, why shouldn't weed be treated the same way?? if it gets legalized at some point, it should be treated like every other legitimate industry, taxes, rules, and all....
Keep in mind, there are taxes on things even if a transaction didn't occur. Property taxes is one example, you pay those every year, but you only bought the house once.

I see no problem with paying an annual personal growers tax, if it was needed.
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Oh most definitely tax it like any other crop if for sale like any fruit or vegetable...but trying to tax people $50 an oz when they are growing themselves for personal use is madness.
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WOW thats some crazzy shit man didnt know that much was goin on
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hey man, i'm just saying, it sucks they're sitting in jail... but they DID break the law in place at that particular time. they were just selling weed, non violent and all that, but they were caught breaking the law. it's just my opinion....

"don't do the crime if you can't do the time" - is what I always say....
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You aren't going to be able to have it both ways. If they tax and regulate... it means NO GROWING for personal. It means that the only LEGAL recourse is to buy the regulated weed.

I agree with Jack Herer. Weed should be GIVEN away by neighbors just like ur grandmas tomatoes are.

Take the money out of weed. No money, no police target.
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thats not nessecarily true Cracker Jax.. im not trying to but heads with you but if that is case then how can people home brew and not get taxed for it?
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Because home brew is insignificant compared to commercial brew.

You can bet if home brew rose to 20-30% of the population, the big beer boyz would put a stop to it.... for "health" reasons.... for "your own good"

Home growing weed is already everywhere, much more so than home brewing. It would be a problem.
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it should be treated like any other crop... grow as much as you want, however you want to grow, and use all that you care... but if you sell it or run a business with it, you should be taxed like any other person trying to run a business in america is.

i say run it like they do with alcohol now, you can brew all the beer or shine you want as long as you dont sell it.. and if you do sell it it gets taxed and regulated just like any other american agriculture product... keep it prohibited from the youth ( yeah i know, im dick,freakin hypocrite, i was a teen, smoked like a chimney the whole time) cause you dont want a 10yr old buying it...

prohibition in the 20's showed us that outlawing a substance simply gives power and wealth to the criminal orginazations, and greatly increases crime related to the outlawed substance.

the amount of us currency that leaves the country and ends up in the hands of drug lords is more than the GDP of many, many nations in this world. wouldnt it be nice to have that cash and use it to fund more appropiate things such as infrastructure, education, SOCIAL SECURITY???what about the money currently used to house inmates in prison for minor possesion or simply possesion with intent?
the sudden emergence of a new heavy agriculture industry along with the commerce and ancillary businesses that will surely come into being the day of legalization... the economic gain has more and more potential the deeper you look at it.. tourism? major retail branding? creation of badly needed jobs and circulation of currency in a stagnant economy? the more you look at it the more good seems to emerge... and what about the product itself? imagine the quality of strains that will emerge as people compete for business... its a win win situation for everyone but the out of country drug cartels!

the primitive and ignorant position the us government takes on marijuana and other scheduled narcotics/substances is archaic at best, and there is no doubt that it causes more harm than good....
outlawing something is like trying to kill an ant infestation... by stepping on ants on at a time. for every ant you kill theres a thousand you dont even see
i could not have said it better my friend..i preach the same thing till my face is blue or some1 says "are you going to smoke that"?.. o yea sorry
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