Do Not Talk to the Police

there are millions of us and only thousands of them... you do the math...

all you seem to do is spread fear...

so what...

im still not going to fear them... and neither should you...

i never said antagonize... i simply said be clear and concise when confronted...

however wrong what they did to him... Still... what happened there is a 1 and a million occurrence...

they arent the boogie man... so stop being a pussy and spreading fear to everyone...

Originally Posted by cannofbliss

however wrong what they did to him... Still... what happened there is a 1 and a million occurrence...

That's because most people when beat and tazed end up complying no matter what your personal philosophy. If they tell you to place your hands behind your back and you insist on keeping them tucked in 'protecting your body' you are de facto resisting at that point. All I can say is good luck with that. The other millions of people couldn't help poor Kelly Thomas although the sick fuck pigs that instigated this episode will go down for murder IMO.

Originally Posted by mindphuk

That's because most people when beat and tazed end up complying no matter what your personal philosophy. If they tell you to place your hands behind your back and you insist on keeping them tucked in 'protecting your body' you are de facto resisting at that point. All I can say is good luck with that. The other millions of people couldn't help poor Kelly Thomas although the sick fuck pigs that instigated this episode will go down for murder IMO.

Yep, can't Resist. They define later what that means. I've always wondered about this one. Cops come to your house.

"We need to talk to you about something." I have nothing to talk about and say that. "sigh, we can just take you downtown."

Can they? I know they can detain us in public. But, if they aren't invited in, they can't detain you? And without an arrest warrant
taking you into custody without consent is kidnapping, isn't it? Or is there some stretch about the "detained" concept?

And is the refusal to be questioned probable cause?

Originally Posted by Doer

Yep, can't Resist. They define later what that means. I've always wondered about this one. Cops come to your house.

"We need to talk to you about something." I have nothing to talk about and say that. "sigh, we can just take you downtown."

Can they? I know they can detain us in public. But, if they aren't invited in, they can't detain you? And without an arrest warrant
taking you into custody without consent is kidnapping, isn't it? Or is there some stretch about the "detained" concept?

And is the refusal to be questioned probable cause?

There are limits to LEO’s ability to detain you even in public. If they can’t come up with some crime or probable cause they will eventually have to let you go. They can’t just walk up to someone and detain them just for the fuck of it… at least not legally.

In the US, the cops can't come into your home unless they have a warrant, you invite them in, or they have probable cause.
If the cops come to your door, and say that they want to talk to you, you can decline.
If they ask you to open the door, you can decline.
If they ask you to step outside, you can also decline.
See this link regarding cops entering your home: http://www.flexyourrights.org/faq/ho...e_at_your_door

Refusing to talk to the cops is not considered probable cause neither is refusing to consent to a search (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Fuentes regarding refusal to consent to searches)

Don't ever consent to a search ever without a warrant and just hope when oh I mean if they still do that you got a good enough lawyer to prove you never consented or better video. I had a couple law classes as requirements for my major and one Instructor was a real live attorney by day and a damn good one. He would not shut up with good cause about asserting your rights and we started every class with this sing song -fill in the blanks

My name is

I live at

I would like to speak to my lawyer please.

and if they kept insisting throw in...

I'm sorry Officer I do value and respect police officers but... repeat until ?

I have always wondered what would happen if you just refused to answer unless they had the warrant and they knew you were in the house just ignoring them? I have always answered the Pig knock and just immediately stepped out and shut the door but it would be kind of fun to sit in the window just staring at them smiling

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81460739/

Originally Posted by Garden Knowm

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

Are there any links to a canadian version you know?