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Old 07-08-2009, 04:50 PM
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Default Wow, something i never knew about why legalization probably won't happen..
never knew the below.. came from this article...
http://cannabisculture.com/v2/conten...e-legalization


SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF LEGALIZATION? Slim. For starters, the United States, along with virtually every other country in the world, is a signatory to the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (and its 1988 successor), which flatly prohibits legalization of cannabis. The only way around this is to unilaterally withdraw from the treaties or to withdraw and then reenter with reservations. That's not going to happen.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:01 PM
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never knew the below.. came from this article...
http://cannabisculture.com/v2/conten...e-legalization

SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF LEGALIZATION? Slim. For starters, the United States, along with virtually every other country in the world, is a signatory to the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (and its 1988 successor), which flatly prohibits legalization of cannabis. The only way around this is to unilaterally withdraw from the treaties or to withdraw and then reenter with reservations. That's not going to happen.
Sorry but I must call you out... B.S.

If the people could put it to a ligitimate vote, knowing the true facts of the root of the prohibition, it would be legalized. We live in a Democracy for a reason. We are fighting currently to get the topic on a ballot, and president Obama is the biggest resource we could ever ask for.

In Short:

The basis of the prohibition of marijuana is racist toward not only Black Americans, but was originally focused on the Mexicans in California who were the first people in America to actually smoke the herb.

When the prohibition started, weed was known to the Eastern and Mid-Western American settlers only as hemp. It was widely farmed for it's many, various non-psychedelic uses. The people who voted for the criminalization of marijuana had no idea what it was. Coincidentally, Hemp was in direct competition with the lumber/paper industry. Very easily corrupted, the government was paid off, by a newspaper company owner who survived on timber, and much racist propaganda about marijuana was created. All of which was made-up to influence the voter's decision to criminilize marijuana. They never even knew that they were voting against the very same plant that most of them farmed regularly on their very own farms.

The government tricked the voters by never correlating the two names: marijuana and Hemp. They instead only referred to it as "marijuana," or "Loco Weed" because they had also started rumors to help make marijuana seem like a scary substance to the voters. They said things like: "the Mexicans act crazy when they smoked it". Along with a slew of other racist propaganda, you all can Google it.

Anywayz, my point is: People, if they knew the truth, which you said is what you yourself are in search of, would overwhelmingly vote to legalize marijuana in this country.
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no outdoindo, you can't vote out of a treaty as a public vote. do you really think enough people are going to rally together and put enough pressure on our administration to go through all the trouble of legalizing weed? no, and such an issue will most likely never be important enough to be brought out (abortion, stem cell research, capital punishment, etc)

but...weed can still get legalized at the state level.
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looking at the 2 dates, 1961 and the most recent signatory in 1988 you can't even refer to when prohibition started.. that is why the laws got so revamped over time because the old prohibition laws were bs and full of holes.. thats why pot was re legalized for a few years then the law was fixed and it has been illegal ever since.. the only hope like howdy stated is legalization on a state level.. either that or decriminalization. just imagine what a hay day the feds will have if cali legalizes.. the dea tears em up just for legal med pot.. on the bright side, if cali legalizes, i know where 90% of the dea will be camping out..
unless poser ass obama actually does something that forces the feds to abide by state law like they should be doing anyway..
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im pretty sure a treaty is not supposed to be in effect forever, they usually have some conditions as to when it should run out or typically lasts under 50 years unless it gets reinstated. also marijuana dose not need to be considered a illicit drug and it is not a narcotic.

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Sorry but I must call you out... B.S.

If the people could put it to a ligitimate vote, knowing the true facts of the root of the prohibition, it would be legalized. We live in a Democracy for a reason. We are fighting currently to get the topic on a ballot, and president Obama is the biggest resource we could ever ask for.

In Short:

The basis of the prohibition of marijuana is racist toward not only Black Americans, but was originally focused on the Mexicans in California who were the first people in America to actually smoke the herb.

When the prohibition started, weed was known to the Eastern and Mid-Western American settlers only as hemp. It was widely farmed for it's many, various non-psychedelic uses. The people who voted for the criminalization of marijuana had no idea what it was. Coincidentally, Hemp was in direct competition with the lumber/paper industry. Very easily corrupted, the government was paid off, by a newspaper company owner who survived on timber, and much racist propaganda about marijuana was created. All of which was made-up to influence the voter's decision to criminilize marijuana. They never even knew that they were voting against the very same plant that most of them farmed regularly on their very own farms.

The government tricked the voters by never correlating the two names: marijuana and Hemp. They instead only referred to it as "marijuana," or "Loco Weed" because they had also started rumors to help make marijuana seem like a scary substance to the voters. They said things like: "the Mexicans act crazy when they smoked it". Along with a slew of other racist propaganda, you all can Google it.

Anywayz, my point is: People, if they knew the truth, which you said is what you yourself are in search of, would overwhelmingly vote to legalize marijuana in this country.
good points i just wanted to point out one thing

it is raciest against Mexicans because when it was made illegal, was when they needed a reason to deport legally immigrated Mexicans. propaganda of the time confused black peoples acts (like raping whie women, killing and stealing, all verry raceist) under the influence of cocaine instead of smoking marijuana
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Sorry but I must call you out... B.S.

If the people could put it to a ligitimate vote, knowing the true facts of the root of the prohibition, it would be legalized. We live in a Democracy for a reason. We are fighting currently to get the topic on a ballot, and president Obama is the biggest resource we could ever ask for.

In Short:

The basis of the prohibition of marijuana is racist toward not only Black Americans, but was originally focused on the Mexicans in California who were the first people in America to actually smoke the herb.

When the prohibition started, weed was known to the Eastern and Mid-Western American settlers only as hemp. It was widely farmed for it's many, various non-psychedelic uses. The people who voted for the criminalization of marijuana had no idea what it was. Coincidentally, Hemp was in direct competition with the lumber/paper industry. Very easily corrupted, the government was paid off, by a newspaper company owner who survived on timber, and much racist propaganda about marijuana was created. All of which was made-up to influence the voter's decision to criminilize marijuana. They never even knew that they were voting against the very same plant that most of them farmed regularly on their very own farms.

The government tricked the voters by never correlating the two names: marijuana and Hemp. They instead only referred to it as "marijuana," or "Loco Weed" because they had also started rumors to help make marijuana seem like a scary substance to the voters. They said things like: "the Mexicans act crazy when they smoked it". Along with a slew of other racist propaganda, you all can Google it.

Anywayz, my point is: People, if they knew the truth, which you said is what you yourself are in search of, would overwhelmingly vote to legalize marijuana in this country.
They even went as far as producing propaganda videos that came out and directly said that if your wife or daughter started smoking marijauna she would become a sex addict and have relations with minorities. Rediculous stuff. The thing about that treaty is it is pretty easy to get around, sure there might not be legalization on the federal level, but it doesn't stop us from being able to decriminalize until the treaty is expired and renogatiated for participating countries. Not to mention the fact the United States is pretty notorious for backing out of treaties that don't meet all our needs. And it wouldn't be that big of a deal if we backed out of it at all, it's not just the United States that has started to see the benefits of the MJ.
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i like these debates on legalization, but i don't think this the most effective route for the change in laws
my own humble opinion is law change is happening from the state perspective, with federal enforcement likely to become a slowly decreasing factor
from medical marijuana, decreased enforcement at the local level, this is literally a grass roots deal
i don't see the laws so much going away as the enforcement becoming similar to holland, canada, and the rest of the world(like of all places, mexico, when did they become the more progressive country)
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black people will rape white women with or without dope. duh. marijuana wont be legalized for a long time. they will always say that it is bad for kids and so forth. and truth be told, we don't have enough science to support legalization because the gov doesn't allow it.
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All I know is we are taking steps in the right direction, if not for legalization but decriminalization. Lets all just keep fighting the good fight together, they can't keep a good thing away from us forever, can they?
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