Advanced Apache * Coco & LED
Down with one and up with another. As my current grow is completely harvest and in the drying and curing phases, I decided to to start up a new thread as the next round is in it's infancy. For those who haven't checked out my journals in the past, I've been growing strictly under LEDs and in Coco. I've always been a fan of growing in coco so that was the first and only medium I tried when I bought my first led panel a couple years ago, and I've found the combo of leds and coco to be quite successful. I'm still tweaking my nutrient solutions here and there though.
This round, I called it Advanced Apache because those are the two lights I'll be running side by side. Last time I did an Advanced LED 200w Diamond Series with a Kessil H350 (both great lights). A few weeks ago I purchased an Apache Tech AT120WR (3:2) so this time I'm swapping out the H350 for the apache. For the first couple weeks it will be the diamond and the apache vegging 6 clones. By the time they are ready to flip, I should have my new diamond xml that I will swap out the 200w diamond for. At that point I will put up a divider between the two lights because I am interested in seeing how these two lights perform by themselves and space is limited. You can call it a comparison if you want, but unfortunately, there is an uneven number of strains so a true comparison will be limited in nature.
The strains this round are (3) Ken's Kush, (2) Strawberry Cough, and (1) Atomic Northern Lights.
Ken's Kush
- Classification: Sativa & Indica (S dominant)
- Parents: Original GDP x OG Kush x Sour Diesel
- Flowering Time: 8-9 weeks
- Yield: Medium-Heavy
- Medical Uses: Multiple Sclerosis, back pain, headaches, anxiety, asthma, insomnia, appetite stimulation
- Breeder: Granddaddy Purp
Strawberry Cough
- Classification: Sativa & Indica (S dominant)
- Parents: ???? Only thing I found was strawberry fields x haze but from an unconfirmed source
- Flowering Time: 8-9 weeks
- Yield: Medium-Heavy
- Medical Uses: Depression, relaxation, headaches, pain relief, glaucoma, nausea, anorexia
- Breeder: unknown but Dutch Passion seems to pop up a lot when searching
Atomic Northern Lights
- Classification: Mostly Indica
- Parents: Northern Lights backcross
- Flowering Time: 7-8.5 weeks
- Yield: Medium-Heavy
- Medical Uses: Anxiety, mood enhancer, fatigue, depression, pain relief
- Breeder: Dr. Atomic
The lights. 200w diamond on the left and Apache on the right.
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The plants. Left three are the Ken's Kush, farthest two on the right are Strawberry Cough, and the one in the center is the Atomic Northern Lights.
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Ken's Kush
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Strawberry Cough
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Atomic Northern Lights
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What I will do before flipping to 12/12 is to make sure I have one of the Ken's Kush and one of the Strawberry Coughs on each side so they will be the plants used to compare the lights. Everything else will be identical in terms of nutrients and amount of love they receive.
Nutrient wise, I'm still rocking CANNA for my primary line up and also supplementing with a couple new guys.
For Veg:
CANNA Coco A & B
CANNA Rhizotonic
CANNA Cannazym
Techinflora MagiCal
Great White Mycorrhizea
Superthrive
Botanicare Silica Blast
House & Garden Magic Green Foliar Spray (every 5-10 days)
For Bloom:
Same as Veg but no Magic Green Foliar Spray
CANNA Boost (Foliar until first signs of flowers)
PK 13/14 (weeks 4-5)
Either Overdrive or M.O.A.B. weeks (6-7)
Lighting is an interesting subject in this journal because of the differences in the lights I will be using.
- 200w diamond series: actual draw 187w full spectrum, 105w in veg mode, and 87w in red only. Total # of Leds = 200. 3w single chips R/G/B design. 90degree angle w/ optical lenses.
- AT120WR (3:2): actual draw 171w. Total # of Leds = 120. 1w single chips full spectrum white leds with red at a 3:2 ratio. 14degree angle w/ optical lenses.
- Diamond XML: unknown for time being. I'll update this when I get my hands on the unit. I do know that they have (4) 10w 2700k white leds.
The first couple weeks will be sort of slow as the clones were just transplanted into 2 gallon smart pots and will recover and veg until July 1st when they'll get flipped to 12/12. Let me know if you have any questions. Any and all comments and questions or suggestions are welcome. Updates will be once a week on Sundays. I guess that's all for now. Please keep the hating to a minimum and please enjoy the show.
Last edited by puffenuff; 06-19-2012 at 05:09 PM.
Medicate
Well you know I'm in this for the haul...............good luck brother puff............gonna go make some popcorn for Dawg as i'm the first here
Edit: very excited to see what this apache can do..........think this panel is gonna rock all of your other "collection" ha
Last edited by PSUAGRO.; 06-19-2012 at 05:37 PM. Reason: edit:
It looks like the Apache is the brighter of the 2 LED lights displayed, despite using less watts.
I've always been interested in seeing what they could do with some cannabis plants.
Good luck.
Test Grow - Pink Diesel by East Coast Gardeners
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...esel-east.html
I'm so subbed. Though they are expensive, the WR ApacheTech lights seem amazing!
Best of luck,
ILovePlants
Growth is controlled not by the total amount of resources available, but by the scarcest resource. When in doubt, test it out!
Ah, first to the show! Enjoy that seat bro, I have a feeling this round is going to be interesting! I'm super stoked to get this show on the road. Had a minor setback with the clones but it looks like things are back on track. Thanks for joining in on the fun!Originally Posted by PSUAGRO.
Well you know I'm in this for the haul...............good luck brother puff............gonna go make some popcorn for Dawg as i'm the first here
Edit: very excited to see what this apache can do..........think this panel is gonna rock all of your other "collection" ha
What up Bad Karma! Thanks for stopping in and checking out the new round. Yes, the apache is definitely the brighter of the two, like you said despite using less watts. I'm not sure if it just looks that way because it's white light or if it actually is putting out more lumens and PAR. Would love to have some of those fancy meters...hmmmm...maybe a new purchase in the future for puff?...ha...not anytime soon but a guy can dream, can't he? I've heard second and third hand reports on how the apaches have faired against our favorite plant here and the feedback has been overwhelming positive...we shall see...keeping my fingers crossed I picked a winner.
Yo iLovePlants! Glad to have you back for this round, really appreciate you joining in last round so I look forward to your comments this time around too! Expensive is definitely an appropriate adjective for the apache, let's hope "amazing" fits the bill too...we'll start seeing it in action more here in a couple weeks.
Last edited by puffenuff; 06-24-2012 at 06:25 PM.
So if you've been following my other journal, you would have seen how bad these clones looked the day after I transplanted them. They were basically wilted over, limp, draggin their knuckles on the floor. Thankfully, they've recovered and are back on track. They definitely got shocked and for that, I will probably need to veg for a while longer. I'm just hoping that stress didn't kill whatever their potency potential was...who knows, perhaps they will be stronger for having gone through it? There seems to be some truth in that, but shit, they looked bad, haha! Anyway, I won't go into the details of what I think the issue was, it could have been many things...too intense light, not enough humidity, magic green not diluted enough or old magic green bottle, etc. etc. not enough time to figure out exactly the issue but I've cut out the apache light in veg, stopped the magic green, and fed with new mixture of feed and things are looking much, much better.
All the babies:
ALL.jpg
2 of the 3 Ken's Kush
KK1.jpgKK2.jpg
Atomic Northern Lights
ANL.jpg
Strawberry Cough
SC1.jpgSC2.jpg
Smile
SMILE.jpg
Also, started some seeds as a backup plan. Only one has popped so far. It's a Kannabia Smile feminized. I've grown other Kannabia seeds before in the past (power skunk and (auto) white domina) and really liked their genetics so hopefully it's a winner too.
I guess that's all for now. Update again next Sunday. We'll see how they look before deciding if I will flip on 7/1 as originally planned or if they will need another week or two.
Subbed Up Brother Puffenuff.Im Just Taking A Break From Harvesting Lucy.Brother Psuagro My Popcorn Needs More Butter
Holy shit, those are the same two clones? Nice recovery. You know I'm subbed for the show. I'd like to see what those Apaches can do.So if you've been following my other journal, you would have seen how bad these clones looked the day after I transplanted them. They were basically wilted over, limp, draggin their knuckles on the floor. Thankfully, they've recovered and are back on track. They definitely got shocked and for that, I will probably need to veg for a while longer. I'm just hoping that stress didn't kill whatever their potency potential was...who knows, perhaps they will be stronger for having gone through it? There seems to be some truth in that, but shit, they looked bad, haha! Anyway, I won't go into the details of what I think the issue was, it could have been many things...too intense light, not enough humidity, magic green not diluted enough or old magic green bottle, etc. etc. not enough time to figure out exactly the issue but I've cut out the apache light in veg, stopped the magic green, and fed with new mixture of feed and things are looking much, much better.
All the babies:
ALL.jpg
2 of the 3 Ken's Kush
KK1.jpgKK2.jpg
Atomic Northern Lights
ANL.jpg
Strawberry Cough
SC1.jpgSC2.jpg
Smile
SMILE.jpg
Also, started some seeds as a backup plan. Only one has popped so far. It's a Kannabia Smile feminized. I've grown other Kannabia seeds before in the past (power skunk and (auto) white domina) and really liked their genetics so hopefully it's a winner too.
I guess that's all for now. Update again next Sunday. We'll see how they look before deciding if I will flip on 7/1 as originally planned or if they will need another week or two.
Fire It Up!
Yup, they're the same ones. The new growth is looking healthy...The bottom branches and leaves are still a little damaged but they will likely get trimmed off anyway. I think we all are wanting to see how the apache performs...soon enough we'll have our answers. Thanks for subbing up for the journey, glad to have you aboard!
The girls will make it/nice............Any idea when your new diamond arrives????
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