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Reply With QuoteI emailed RIU, but he no likey me apparently.Originally Posted by Seamaiden
I emailed RIU, but he no likey me apparently.
So this gets complicated. Here is a good link explaining some of the differences between rating systems.
PAR Watts is a good way of measuring how much radiative energy is being produced in the relevant wavelengths per plant. You can figure it by taking the raw bulb spectrum and weighting it by the PAR plot I linked above.
The problem with this is that the response from a plant from a high vs. low energy photon (for example, blue vs. red) is often the same. The reason this is so is because a fixed energy input is required for a particular chemical process to occur, and all excess energy is wasted, converted into heat, luminescence, or other modes of energy.
An analogy would be me vs. fdd or browndirtwarrior stepping up to that thing at the carnival where you hit the target with the hammer, and it runs up the pole toward the bell. Say the bell is low enough that I can hit it. Then it doesn't matter if fdd or bdw can hit the target harder - we all make the bell ding - and the fact that they hit it harder might make the bell ring louder or the thing come harder back down the pole. All that matters in the end is that the bell dinged. I am red light, and the other two are, say, blue light.
The reason that this skews PAR watts is that watts is a unit based on energy. So, if we look at the PAR based on quantum efficiency (% absorbed/used photons vs. photons striking the plant), the white line here, and find that I'm 680nm (red), the others are 440nm (blue), but that we have the same quantum efficiency, what does that mean? It means that we induce the same average number of chemical reactions per photon, or dings per swing in our analogy. When you calculate PAR Watts, however, it tells a different story.
Since light's energy is inversely proportional to wavelength, the blue light has more energy. To be precise, it is in our case 680/440=1.54 x as much energy as the red light.
This means that when computing PAR Watts, the blue photon counts 1.5x as much as the red one, despite the fact that they induce the same reaction. By looking at the PAR plot, however, you can see that most red light is roughly 2x as efficient, so this is partially compensated for.
These differences, however, have led others to compute the meaningful radiation in terms of PFF - photosynthetic photon flux - the number of photons that are meaningful. This eliminates the aforementioned efficiency complications.
Anyway, it's complicated, but PAR Watts are not an altogether bad way to measure the amount of meaningful light. I'll convert those spectra to PAR Watts if I get around to it ... or blazed enough.
PUR is interesting. It's PAR, further weighted for what a specific plant, e.g. cannabis, can use. It will therefore not vary much from PAR, which is more generic.PUR, man, PUR. That's what is missing from the equation.
The one really useful thing PUR can account for, however, is that some plants max out in certain energies. So even if green has 10% efficiency, a plant can only use so much of it per unit area and then it doesn't give a crap. Otherwise, you could just load up on a billion green lights and still grow great pot.
Until PUR spectra are available for cannabis, it's not practically useful. In addition, this method of rating lights was introduced back in 78 in one research paper. If I had a dollar for every scientist in my field who wanted to reformulate their own definition for the problem they're addressing - complete with their own fancy acronym that they'd like to see catch on - I"d have a secretary typing this for me.
For the most part, I'm finding that it's used by the government for development of LEDs (as reported by the commercial vendor below), but being championed by the company that makes PURple bulbs. Besides that, there really isn't much information on it at all. No wiki = no cookie.
I think that with the basics and common sense - don't try to overcome spectral limitations with raw power - PAR's about as good as PUR.
Last edited by ceestyle; 06-29-2008 at 06:27 PM.
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Why the least?
It depends on a number of things, most importantly what kind of results you expect. While you could keep a plant alive with a 60W incandescent, why would you?
This question cannot be answered meaningfully without more information - how big, what kind of growth you want ... why you would only grow one plant? I would assume when someone says 'the least' they are concerned about spending a few bucks on light. I cannot really identify with that being my primary concern, as opposed to, say, rate and quality of plant growth.
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