Flowering and YELLOW.....

scough

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Wondering how BAD my plants are doing. I have not been able to get my front two plants green for the last month or so........they've been flowering for about 4 weeks now, and am wondering how i can remedy the situation.....growing in Foxfarm ocean soil and using foxfarm nutes.....dont know if i need something stronger at this point to try to correct the problem.......don't know what ratio per gallon of what to use and how often..........they are sitting in 5 gall buckets under a 400W HPS bulb..........wondering if i should try going back to vegging nutes (Grow big 6-4-4), raise the nutes im using during flowering (Big bloom and Tiger bloom), Switch to Shultz's 10-15-10, or just flush and start over.........PLEASE, any comments or suggestions would really help!!!!! (3 big plants are Strawberry coughs and 3 little clones are OG x Master Kush)..............
 

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battosai

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i thot foxfarm ocean soil had all the nutes already. maybe your too much nutes? whats the ph?
 

capncash

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have you checked for spider mites? if you spray water do you see webs? you will see yellow spotting on the leaves and black dots on the under side of the leaves
 

Blazeftw

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could be ph/could be spider mites/could be nutes.

right now i have baby spider mites (aka white little dots, the eggs i suppose) on my baby clones and leaves are yellowing/curling looking like shit pretty much.
 

mogie

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PLANT ABUSE
Heat Stress :
Look closely below, and you'll see the brown leaf edges that are indicative of heat stress. This damage looks alot like nutrient burn, except it occurs only at the tops of the plants closest to the lamps. There's only one cure for this...get the heat away from the plants, either by moving the lamps or moving the plants.

Figure 1

Nutrient Solution Burn:
There's a good chance that this leaf was subjected to nutrient solution burn. These symptoms are seen when the EC concentration of hydroponic solutions is too high. These symptoms also appear when strong nutrient solution is splashed onto the leaves under hot HID lamps, causing the leaves to burn under the solution.


Figure 2
Many hydroponic gardeners see this problem. It's the beginning of nutrient burn. It indicates that the plants have all the nutrients they can possibly use, and there's a slight excess. Back off the concentration of the nutrient solution just a touch, and the problem should disappear. Note that if the plants never get any worse than this leaf (figure 3), then the plants are probably just fine. Figure 4 is definitely an over-fert problem. The high level of nutrients accumulates in the leaves and causes them to dry out and burn up as shown here. You must flush with clear, clean water immediately to allow the roots to recover, and prevent further damage. Now find the cause of the high nutrient levels.


Figure 3 (left) and Figure 4 (right)
Over Watering:
The plants in figure 5 were on a continous drip system, where nutrient solution is constantly being pumped into the medium. This tends to keep the entire root system completely saturated. A better way would be to periodically feed the plants, say for 1/2 hour every 2-3 hours. This would give the roots a chance to get needed air to them, and prevent root rot and other problems.
Don't be throw off by the fact that the plants in figure 5 are sitting in still water, this is actually an H2O2 solution used to try and correct the problem. Adding an airstone to the tub would also help add O2 to the solution.


Figure 5
pH Fluctuation:
Both of these leaves in figure 6 and figure 7 are from the same plant. It could be over fertilization, but more likely it is due to the pH being off. Too high or too low a pH can lock up nutrients in the form of undisolvable salts and compounds, some of which are actually toxic to the plants. What then happens is the grower then tries to supplement the plants diet by adding more fertilizers, throwing off the pH even more and locking up even more nutrients. This type of problem is seen more often in soil mixes, where inconsistent mixing of the medium's components leads to "hot" spots.


Figure 6 (left) and Figure 7 (right)
Ozone Damage:
Ozone damage typically found near the generator. Although a rare problem, symptoms generally appear as a Mg deficiency, but the symptoms are localized to immediately around the generator.

 

mogie

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Nitrogen (N)
Nitrate - Ammonium is found in both inorganic and organic forms in the plant, and combines with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and sometimes sulfur to form amino acids, amino enzymes, nucleic acids, chlorophyll, alkaloids, and purine bases. Nitrogen rates high as molecular weight proteins in plant tissue.
Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients.
Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.
Nitrogen Deficiencies
Plants will exhibit lack of vigor, slow growth and will be weak and stunted. Quality and yield will be significantly reduced. Older leaves become yellow (chlorotic) from lack of chlorophyll. Deficient plants will exhibit uniform light green to yellow on older leaves, these leaves may die and drop. Leaf margins will not curled up noticeably. Chlorosis will eventually spread throughout the plant. Stems, petioles and lower leaf surfaces may turn purple.


Figure 9.

As seen in figure 10 consumption of nitrogen (N) from the fan leaves during the final phase of flowing is 100% normal.

 

capncash

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I cant believe there is not picture of spider mite damage which is probably more common than all of those issues put together.
 

stop_the_rapture

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your plants look fine and healthy. its 100% normal for plants to consume nitrogen during flowering which causes the fan leaves to yellow
 

tat2gee

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yea dude yur plants look good i see about 3 yellowws its common when yu are in flowering mode dat yull see some yellows .nothing to worryabout justkeep up da good work those buds look awesome....
 
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