LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

Originally Posted by Fonzarelli

Has anyone seen these before? I know they are not T5's but damn lots of far red in there. Wonder what a T5 combo with these would do? I can't believe no one has mentioned them here.Attachment 2227867
He says they get really hot which I believe with all the IR they put out. He also says that they turn flowering into a rocket ship ride. Here's the link to thread where I found these.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/ca...-light-11.html

I think KNNA says 25-50 watts of HID for IR

Originally Posted by Fonzarelli

I guess I'm not seeing where he talks about the benefit of IR. I see that he says the deepred 660nm was preferred over the cherryred 740nm, but I don't see where he says what the IR addition does to the plants. Could you please link me?

One of his test grows showed a pic of 6-8 root systems. it appears he added a bunch of pics and I don't have the time to dig through them all, but look for that: it talks about IR

These are me razzleberries. 6 days left. Look at these donkays. Still no flora suns to replace the burned out ones in the og 8 bulb. They're sitting a my buddies and he is out of town. Yaaaaahhhhhh. But theres only 4 sog here. So since too many coral waves. Moved one to position 1. Then 2 redsuns in 3 , 5 and coral wave in 4 ,6 and the rest fiji n flora suns yesterday. So the girls are chillin directly under the redsuns and coral waves. I swear they swelled up at least 25% since yesterday. So keep your resdsuns and coral waves next to each other.


Theres 2 bubbas in the back of pics only at 3 weeks though. In 2 gal home made air root bags. Hehe lol.

When I get bulbs this weekend. It will be

flora sun / coral wave / redsun / flora sun / flora sun / redsun / coral wave / flora sun.

Taking led approach now and moving IR ( cw ) towards outside.

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Dare I say I will be adding a 276 true watt led. 3w x 120. Apollo 8 / Cidly to the room. Hopefully it will be here sooner than later. Its coming from China and that will be per orb (8 orbs)



5 Red 660nm (90 degree)
3 Red 650-670nm (90 degree)
2 Red 630-640nm (90 degree)
1 Orange 610-615nm (90 degree)
1 Blue 450-470nm (90 degree)
1 Blue 420-430nm (90 degree)
1 White 10,000K (90 degree)
1 White 2700K (90 degree)

I wasnt sure about adding IR to led its at 730nm and not 760 like the cw. It runs at .7 w instead of 2.3w like the other diodes. So loss in wattage. Might add single or 2 bulb cw to led area for IR and uv-a actinics.


I can't wait to finish some par t5 / led dankness.

I shall smoke trees Beavis Hehehehehe.


Im awesome!

hyroot: I m not convinced that proximity to one another is all that critical (assuming you have the bulbs ~ 10 above the canopy), but I have been doing it anyway. However, I am following your lead and made a few adjustments

1/8 RS
2/8 FS- was ATI Spec Blue Actinic (SBA)
3/8 ATI SBA was FS- was FS
4/8 RS
5/8 660
6/8 CW- was FS
7/8 RS
8/8 FS

I might still swap 1 & 2

LEDs

FWIW, from what I've studied I would go with the opposite numbers for the reds (660 is least needed)

Originally Posted by hyroot

These are me razzleberries. 6 days left. Look at these donkays. Still no flora suns to replace the burned out ones in the og 8 bulb. They're sitting a my buddies and he is out of town. Yaaaaahhhhhh. But theres only 4 sog here. So since too many coral waves. Moved one to position 1. Then 2 redsuns in 3 , 5 and coral wave in 4 ,6 and the rest fiji n flora suns yesterday. So the girls are chillin directly under the redsuns and coral waves. I swear they swelled up at least 25% since yesterday. So keep your resdsuns and coral waves next to each other.


Theres 2 bubbas in the back of pics only at 3 weeks though. In 2 gal home made air root bags. Hehe lol.

When I get bulbs this weekend. It will be

flora sun / coral wave / redsun / flora sun / flora sun / redsun / coral wave / flora sun.

Taking led approach now and moving IR ( cw ) towards outside.

IMG_20120626_044411.jpgIMG_20120626_044401.jpgIMG_20120626_044347.jpg


Dare I say I will be adding a 276 true watt led. 3w x 120. Apollo 8 / Cidly to the room. Hopefully it will be here sooner than later. Its coming from China and that will be per orb (8 orbs)



5 Red 660nm (90 degree)
3 Red 650-670nm (90 degree)
2 Red 630-640nm (90 degree)
1 Orange 610-615nm (90 degree)
1 Blue 450-470nm (90 degree)
1 Blue 420-430nm (90 degree)
1 White 10,000K (90 degree)
1 White 2700K (90 degree)

I wasnt sure about adding IR to led its at 730nm and not 760 like the cw. It runs at .7 w instead of 2.3w like the other diodes. So loss in wattage. Might add single or 2 bulb cw to led area for IR and uv-a actinics.


I can't wait to finish some par t5 / led dankness.

I shall smoke trees Beavis Hehehehehe.


Im awesome!

What is your Grams Per watt average? The most ive seen yet is .5

Originally Posted by PetFlora

FWIW, from what I've studied I would go with the opposite numbers for the reds (660 is least needed)

I 100% disagree. From the results I'm getting when adding the Kessil 660/630(75%/25%) to 108w T5 of 420/460 blue light, I would say that 660nm is the most important for increasing plant and bud size as well as growth rate. I've never seen anything like this before. For example here is a Sour D grown under a blue T5/Kessil h150 Red light combination which is the same age as this Sour D grown under a 400w Hortilux HPS. Notice the huge difference? This is at week 2 of flowering.660-400w hps compare.jpg

Plants have the ability to adapt to light, so if your blu/red proportions are correct, I don't think it's that big of deal. I think there is a reason the Florasun's are made with less 630nm than 660nm, but it's only a guess. All I know is the added 660nm is working for me. 228w of red/blue light vs. 400w of hps.......I know what I like.

Originally Posted by Fonzarelli

I 100% disagree. From the results I'm getting when adding the Kessil 660/630(75%/25%) to 108w T5 of 420/460 blue light, I would say that 660nm is the most important for increasing plant and bud size as well as growth rate. I've never seen anything like this before. For example here is a Sour D grown under a blue/Kessil h150 Red light combination which is the same age as this Sour D grown under a 400w Hortilux HPS. Notice the huge difference? This is at week 2 of flowering.660-400w hps compare.jpg

But have you tried changing the 660 to 630 ratios? If you look at the amount of both used, it really only favors 660 slightly over 630. It would seem to me that 50/50 or 60/40, favoring the 660, would be closer to optimum. That's just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by kpmarine

But have you tried changing the 660 to 630 ratios? If you look at the amount of both used, it really only favors 660 slightly over 630. It would seem to me that 50/50 or 60/40, favoring the 660, would be closer to optimum. That's just my opinion though.

No, I don't have that ability. The kessils are built that way. I guess I trust the people that have done the tests already. I can say I'm having better luck with the 660nm T5's vs. the 630nm redsuns though. Overall, I like the penetrating capability of the Kessils and the ability to grow trees with them.