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Old 11-08-2009, 01:55 AM
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Default 1000w + 15 amp closet grow + fire hazard?
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your going to neeed at least 1 15amp circuit to run that stuff, a 20 amp would be better but a 15 should do the job.

your going to need a heavy duty cord, #12awg to plug that ballast into. no one likes cords running across the house so what you need to find out is if the room the closet is in has its own circuit.

most plugs are not designed to handle such a large load for such a long time (12/12) so your really going to have to keep a close eye on this one
I really do appreciate your help on this, I've alredy done so much research and so much is contradictory from forum to forum, it's so much easier to have a genius who knows what he's talking about to make it one step easier.

So there is a 15 amp outlet near my closet, but I'm even more worried now after reading that guy's post about the 600w that nearly burnt his house down. Especially since I'll be pulling 1000w 24 hours then 12/12 over about 8 weeks!

I read about a 1000w super gaming system with 4 quad sli graphics cards, a rediculous cooling system/power supply setup, etc. on a 15amp outlet; so I figure my 15 amp outlet can handle a heavy 1000w power pull for a long time since that comp was on 24/7 and I've read a bunch of other forums with people using 1000w on 15 amps because that's about the maximum it can pull. But is there some sort of fault swith I can setup to prevent a fire because obviously the last thing I want to do is burn this place down :X

Also is there a way to check the outlet to see if the wiring is new? I just want to have everything setup as safely as possible before I go with it.

And when you say I need a #12 awg what is that? I've got a Lumatek 120/240v 1000w ballast so I don't think I need any new wiring besides my 1000w mh light and the output chord coming out of the ballast.

P.S. I noticed on an earlier question you mentioned that you can have an electrician upgrade the electrical circuitry to your house. I may be buying a house in a few months and I'll definitely have a grow room there. How would I contact an electrical company and request an upgrade, is it as simple as picking up the phone and asking for it and paying the upgrade fee? And if so should I request specifics, such as having all the outlets be 20 amp or things like that?
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How do you wire cpu fans in series to run off one adapter. my adapter can run like 3 to 4 fans its just i dont no how to connect them together. my fans have red and black wires only. any advice?
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:13 PM
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im not sure if you can wire pc fans in series, ive never tried it myself.. they will work better wired in parallel. series circuits draw more current than than parallel circuits but the way you would do it is-
connect the red positive wire on the first fan to the positive on the power supply.
connect the black negative wire on the first fan to the positive red wire on the second fan.
repeat this step for as many fans as your using
connect the final black negative wire to the power supply negative

to wire them in parallel (recommended)
connect all the red wires to the positive on the power supply
connect all the black wires to negative on the power supply
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Thanks heaps for the info here!

My question was already answered but thought i'd give my appreciation and thanks anyway
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so i just purchased a couple of fans off the internet and it said in their description for them they were rated 230/240v 50/60hz but they just arrived and they only say on them 230v 60hz. we run 240v 50hz here so whats the deal. from what ive read they will still run but at a lower speed and run hotter? is this all or will they catch fire or something? any help bro would be sweet. you found any work yet?
So any help? also they have a small round metal tube that looks like it could take a screw coming out of the body marked with an earth symbol on it. do they need to be earthed and how?
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im not sure if you can wire pc fans in series, ive never tried it myself.. they will work better wired in parallel. series circuits draw more current than than parallel circuits but the way you would do it is-
connect the red positive wire on the first fan to the positive on the power supply.
connect the black negative wire on the first fan to the positive red wire on the second fan.
repeat this step for as many fans as your using
connect the final black negative wire to the power supply negative

to wire them in parallel (recommended)
connect all the red wires to the positive on the power supply
connect all the black wires to negative on the power supply
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So any help? also they have a small round metal tube that looks like it could take a screw coming out of the body marked with an earth symbol on it. do they need to be earthed and how?
sorry man i mustve lost track of your post in the mix...

i would definitly earth the fans. 'earthing' or more correctly called GROUNDING is a conductor (wire) the connects to the frame of your device ( in this case motor) and in turn is connected to the EQUIPMENT GROUNDING CONDUCTOR in your electrical system ( grounding bus or bar in electrical panel, or even the ground in the nearest outlet) you could connect it to the grounding wire in the outlet you plan on plugging the fans into, it would be the easiest way...

as far as whether or not they will work depends on the motor size... the bigger the motor, the more likely they will fail.

most a/c motors are made to operate at either 50 hz or 60hz, but not all of them.
best case scenario they will work just fine but they will turn at a lower rpm then if they were running on 60hz.
middle of the road scenario is they will run a little slow and get a little warm to the touch. if this is the case its best to run them at the fastest speed setting they have.
worst case scenario is they will run really slow and begin to overheat quite rapidly... if the motor gets to hot it will melt a built in centrifugal safety switch called the 'solder pot' once this happens, your motor is junk, and cant be used again without being serviced @ the factory.
i wouldnt be scared to try it BUT i would keep an eye on it. if they start to overheat too quickly and it turns into a problem you can get a variable frequency drive to control the Hz, just leave it set at 60hz and it will work as intended... but VFD's are not exactly cheap though. hope this answered your question!

personally, if it was me, i wouldnt do it, but i am picky about such things; but i also wouldnt be scared to try it if all i had were 60hz fans and 50hz power
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how do you hook a computer fan up so that it can be plugged in to an outlet? if you only have the computer fan with the two wires sticking out?
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vfd's for grow room fans? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ just buy the correct fan. believe me it's way cheaper. i deal with industrial mechanics that have 30+ years of electrical experience that just cant't figure out how to set them up right. it's easy as hell if you know what you're doing but can be confusing to some.
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how do you hook a computer fan up so that it can be plugged in to an outlet? if you only have the computer fan with the two wires sticking out?
unless the computer fan is 120 volts you're going to need a power supply or ac adapter. what's the voltage of the fan? 12 v?
 

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