1000W HPS ScrOG vs SOG

Finally I've gotten the funds together for a place and a friend and I want to start a medical grow.

We have decided on 1000W HPS in what will most likely be a 3'x4'x7' closet grow. Legally we are allowed 12 plants.

My question was this: I have been debating between scrog and sog. I have been set on scrog, but the guy in the hydro shop said that a sog with 12 plants under the 1000W "is the ticket." I would lie to keep the plant number low, preferably 6-8, which is why scrog is more attractive. I would be willing to grow more, but I'm worried about upkeep and risk.

My question is this: what are the pros and cons of both methods, side by side. I am familiar with scrog, but I am wondering how it compares to the sog approach.

Has anyone flowered a 12-plant sog or 8-plant scrog under 1000W HPS? I'd like to read the journals to compare the two and get some inspiration!

we will probably be ordering the ebb and grow 12-site system. I would love to construct one myself, but maybe once I am confident enough with how one works first. It wouldn't be a true sog if we went that route, as we would have 1 plant per square foot, but each one could be a tree.

with that space you could just grow them normally about 1-2 feet then flip to flower. im growing in a 4x4 area as well. but i have 50 plants check it out
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/198270-og-kush-sog-grow-journal.html

So, plant 12 seeds and grow them to about 1-2 feet. Then take a clone from your 3-5 healthiest plants to save as possible mothers the day before you switch to flower. Keep the clones carefully marked so you can remember from which plant each one came from, so when you know the sex of the mother plant you will also know the sex of the clone. Once you pull all the males (lets say 5 of the plants are males) you will still be under the plant limit once you discard the male clones (or keep them for possible future seed production uses). You'll have a room full of trees, and some guaranteed females for your nest run. I wish someone would have told me to do this, i HATE growing plants just to find out they're males...

By letting them grow to a few feet before flower will let them use all the available space in the room, while still maintaining the mandated plant count, for bigger and happier harvests. You get me?

beginningbotanist420 said:

So, plant 12 seeds and grow them to about 1-2 feet. Then take a clone from your 3-5 healthiest plants to save as possible mothers the day before you switch to flower. Keep the clones carefully marked so you can remember from which plant each one came from, so when you know the sex of the mother plant you will also know the sex of the clone. Once you pull all the males (lets say 5 of the plants are males) you will still be under the plant limit once you discard the male clones (or keep them for possible future seed production uses). You'll have a room full of trees, and some guaranteed females for your nest run. I wish someone would have told me to do this, i HATE growing plants just to find out they're males...

By letting them grow to a few feet before flower will let them use all the available space in the room, while still maintaining the mandated plant count, for bigger and happier harvests. You get me?

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So if I let 8 plants veg until they were 2 1/2' and flowered, what kid of yield would I be looking at versus a scrog? I like this idea much more as I could grow three or four different strains and finish them individually, but scrog seems far more efficient and higher-yielding.

I should also point out I am a medical user and I will no be dealing with cloning as I have a large, steady, legal supply of a variety of clones from various co-ops locally. The reason would prefer less plants is mainly logistics (odor control and space requirements). 12 mature plants is the legal limit for 2 patients (6 each), so we cannot break that ceiling.

u cant S.O.G. with 12 plants. ur talking 12 plants every 2 weeks for an adequate sog. S.O.G. in a perpetual harvest technique.

but if ur talking a single grow i would thin a scrog will do fine esp. with any height limits.

I should also point out I am a medical user and I will no be dealing with cloning as I have a large, steady, legal supply of a variety of clones from various co-ops locally. The reason would prefer less plants is mainly logistics (odor control and space requirements). 12 mature plants is the legal limit for 2 patients (6 each), so we cannot break that ceiling.[/quote]

what ur talking about is a florr amount. i've already been through the system on a case with 30 plants. case dismissed cuz its all personal use. as long as u aint got a big commercial grow do your thing.

ask ur dr. to give u a note for extra plants and weight.

PEACE

kremnon said:

I should also point out I am a medical user and I will no be dealing with cloning as I have a large, steady, legal supply of a variety of clones from various co-ops locally. The reason would prefer less plants is mainly logistics (odor control and space requirements). 12 mature plants is the legal limit for 2 patients (6 each), so we cannot break that ceiling.

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what ur talking about is a florr amount. i've already been through the system on a case with 30 plants. case dismissed cuz its all personal use. as long as u aint got a big commercial grow do your thing.

ask ur dr. to give u a note for extra plants and weight.

PEACE[/quote]

Cops in some areas are dipshits. Real assholes, and they don't care about the law; they'll book you either way and let the courts decide. I happen to live in one of those areas. I get flack all the time at college by the cops, who knew I was a medical user and proceeded to try and throw me out of school for medicating off campus and smelling like weed when I walked back into my dorm.

I don't care if a case doesn't hold up in court, I don't want my 24-plant grow ransacked and burned. I don't want people chopping my baby girls and calling it a "raid". I don't want to risk eviction or even nosy neighbors, and I don't want to make the investment (yet) to support that many plants. Overall, for a first grow, a low plant number is just better.

If you are wanting to keep the plant numbers down, I would stay away from SOG...

By definition, Sea of Green consists of LOTS of small plants, as opposed to fewer large plants...

I would recommend you take a peek at this thread...

I imagine you would want ONE of these in your space...

Cheers...

Oh and if you want to take a peek at my chaotic SOG... check the sig.

Here is what I do...

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And here is MBlaze's thread...

MY 3 BIG TREES: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/161675-pics-new-girls.html

I agree with gypsy bush. I'm a medical grower too. SOG won't work for us....we need to grow a few larger plants due to the 12/6 (12 immature/6 mature) rule.

Sad but true.

YO

From the FAQ..

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Sea of Green (SOG) is the theory of harvesting lots of small plants, matured early to get the fastest production of buds available. Instead of growing a few plants for a longer period of time, in the same space many smaller plants are grown that mature faster and in less time. Thus, less time is required between crops. This is important to you when the electricity bill comes each month. One crop can be started while another is maturing, and a continuous harvest, year round can be maintained. [/FONT]

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i personally have no experience with it but i think maybe the full 12 plants but vegged a bit longer perhaps using uncle bens topping method to produce 4 colas per plant is what i would try. with 48 colas thats pretty close to sog the downside is a longer veg time

with just 8 plants, would it be better to get the ebb and grow and do 8 or se up a cheaper ebb-and-flow table and do 8. Either way, 8 is the max plant number as of right now due to space.

What would be better?
4- 5 gallon buckets
6- 3.5 gallon buckets
8- 2 gallon "ebb-and-grow" containers
8- 6" rockwool cubes and coco (ebb and flow table)

I'll probably use Canna nutrients, too. Either way, it seems ebb and flow is the way I am set on. It jus comes down to # of plants and scrog vs. no scrog. This wil clearly NOT be a sea-of-green plantlet-style grow, so I apologize for using the term.

Why don't you do ONE huge tree like MBlaze does...

He gets well over a pound from each plant...

SCROG the whole room, put your max number of plants under it. End of story.

does anyone now a number to a doctor in the bay area for cards because the dr i went to does not see females so my girl has to see another dr.drop me a p.m thanks...

that's what I originally wanted to do. I wish space allowed, because I could see myself with a massive 12 plant scrog. Sadly, I only have about 12 square feet, and running a 12-plant scrog in those conditions will get cramped.

one huge plant seems awesome, but I feel I could use my space (and time for veg) a little better. The minimum I want is 4 plants, simply because I want a variety of strains.

Well, you could do an ebb flow SOG with 12 plants...

8 in flower and 4 moms... one of each strain you want to grow...

Stagger them and you can harvest one every week, or 2 every 2 weeks... and so on...

Ebb flow with pots makes the plants mobile... you can remove runts... clean everything easily and often...

Just a thought...

You have sen what I do...

For SOG, also aren't you supposed to use the same genetics? That way you keep the veg and flowering time consistent.

I'm med too, btw, and I have been vegging one clone for 6 weeks, using LST to keep her bushy. I still might do SCRoG when I start flowering, I haven't figured out a good way to rig up the screen yet and I haven't looked too hard at other ideas yet.