well yea but those are all different variables man, ur yield would have been even higher with just the addition of circulation. 5 plants on 400 watt i would still take over 8 t5s for real

ill put it this way man, ive grown with nothing but 150, 400, 430, and 1000's etc.. since 1996 and i did my first floro t'5's grow and it was great i think the titel of the forum is
ANYONE FLOWER UNDER T5'S yes i understand the variables.. t5's are good product.. great for vegging and great for flowering if growing with limitations.. enough said.. variables man

it just sure seems ur trying to recommend T5s over HPS for flowering which as ive said even in limited spaces HPS can be done just fine. but i guess well just have to agree to disagree on this one weve both made valid points.

well i can see how it would seem that way.. your right im right..who gives a shit every grow is different trial and error is the true way i guess...hps is best no doubt

yea i did get a little off track tho I wasnt trying to argue or anything man. happy smoking

I use a 432 watt t5 for veg, I didnt get my hps 600 until I had vegged for 60 days, great results. there is a guy a icmag.com that has the cheapest & best producing method for a small setup. His name is dr bud greengenes check it out http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=85930
I wish I had learned more before I spent a ton of money

It makes sense that an HPS would penetrate farther, and be more suitable for larger plants, but what if you were doing a SOG grow, putting your clones into flowering as soon as they are comfortably transplanted? Wouldn't the plants stay compact, as they would only grow vertically during those first few weeks?
In my visualization that leaves a very shallow area that the light needs to cover. In that situation, would a T5 be able to compete realistically with an HPS? lb/year? Particularly seeing as you eliminate the need for veg time?

i gorw with t5's and additional cfls 4 42 watt....i get what your saying about hps it is ideal for weight and with proper vent you could fit it in a small grow speacialy a air cooled tube.... but if your poor and dont have the cash to put up for the lights the vent and all that goes into keeping temp at 75 flouros come into play i still have circulation by a box fan placed above my plants i went the cheapest way i could and i come out with good results always im got four weeks left to go and ill post pics/weight soon..

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t5s are amazing for flowering. light penetration is not an issue. They put out more lumens at a higher par than hps to the plant. hps and all lights are measured in lumens and par. if a 1000watt hps has 150000 lumens at one foot below the plant it only has 35000 lumens 2 feet under the plant. t5s placed 1 inch from the plant are hitting the plant with many times more lumens. unless someone can show me a 1000 hps 1 inch over their crop than they are losing light. The reason t5 may not have the best rep is because people keep them too far away. done properly your hole setup should out produce hid. fans for cooling hid use watts too. my t5 setup cools with a 10 watt hepa filter. good luck man. don't forget that a 1000 watt hps is more like 1300 when you cool it and evrything else. not to mention much safer.

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Oh yah the t5s in my pick are 48 in t5ho. they are 25 bucks us with choice of bulb colour. sunblaster brand. they are the slimmest t5s i've seen ever