Hi all !!

I am a newb to this grow stuff and been thinking about the best lighting setup.
I have been reading alot about HPS's, CFL's, LED's, and MH's.

After a few hours a researching i stumbled across this link about natural sunlight indoors via
optic lenses, fiber optic cables made from crystal, and a end point for illumination maybe a
jagged glass rod of some sort:

http://www.himawari-net.co.jp/e_page-index01.html


Basically what this says is i can bring the sunlight in large concentrated amounts
indoors has anyone tried this out?

Maybe supplement with a Strong LED setup to trick plants into certain stages?

How much light is needed for growing?
The answer depends on if you are growing in a small space, or have a larger space to grow in. I'll try to answer this "in general" .
Light seen and perceived with the human eye is measured in Lumens. There is an ideal amount of lumens for growing and a minimum amount of lumens. The very minimum amount of light required for smaller sized plants grown in our systems is around 3000 lumens per square foot. Let me put emphasis on "minimum amount" of light. However, that's not 100% exactly accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and the reflectivity of the grow area. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens per square foot for average sized plants. As long as the plants do not show burn, as much light can be used as you want to use.
(Note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens per square foot, on a sunny mid summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
First determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet)
If you have a 1000 Watt High Pressure Sodium Light Bulb, that produces approximately 107,000 lumens.
Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 divided by 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot.
So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of square feet, and that's your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much light, unless there is overly sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too hot too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings or sprouts, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these young stages.

How do I decide which lights to use?
Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. For example, a 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. (not that you can grow with incandescent bulbs) While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt

Incandescent lights: Incandescent bulbs are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescent bulbs when it come to growing is simply this: they suck. Using incandescent bulbs to grow plants is like trying to flag down the Space Challenger with a burnt out match! You can do it, but it won't work. They are like big tits on a nun!
There are some incandescents which are sold as "grow lights." They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; like a big dick on a priest. They produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are far more useful than incandescents. They are efficient enough, and much less expensive than HID (High Intensity Discharge) lights. Compact fluorescent tubes, (commonly called CFLs) are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4 foot tubes, CFLs are smaller, more easily moved, and more can fit into a given area. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available.
Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin (spectrum or color) ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth. The bulbs are ultra white. Warm white light is more reddish in spectrum, and is best for the flowering stage. The bulbs are almost cream colored.

Color rating- Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum for Vegging or GROWING, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum and is best for BLOOMING or FLOWERING.


High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or HPS light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but leave a lot to be desired in the BLOOM stage.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application if you are not on a budget and can vent the grow area for heat. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger flowers or fruit than any other light.
HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced commercial growers because of their ability to produce tighter denser flowers, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

Just like everything else, available grow lights are evolving. I just saw a 20,000 lumen system, using 3 105 watt CFLs at StealthHydro.com
The sun produces 10,000 per sq ft.

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Is this product for real? Check out the specs:

53,790 lumens on just 15 watts! That just seems ridiculous.

Did you happen to notice how big the unit is? i mean the part that is placed outdoors? its HUGE (it supplies 33 terminals...)


And im sure you also didn't catch that it collects actual sunlight and directs it through fiberoptics to wherever you need it... That being why its so powerful

Also, it says that it filters out most infrared and ultraviolet rays... which kinda sucks

Ya does not seem hard to make one by hand..

I plan on building one and using supplement lighting.

i have a 400w mh growing a plant thats in a painted-white card board box that about 15inx15in do you guys think this is o.k I am real new at this lighting stuff

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that looks safe....

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Don't see why that wouldn't work as long as you didn't take any protective things off, why don't you actually take off the plastic and wire yourself up a light that can be shielded etc, should have everything in it you need.

Lemme guess, you're a construction worker.
Or you stole a light from a construction zone.
lol.

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Hey roseman:

Could you please just stop copy and pasting shit. Especially wen it doesn't apply to the topic at hand. Not all thread on lights needs the same snippets wall of texting them.

No insult intended just figured someone needed to say it.

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