Hi, happy to have found this thread! I started doing the 12/12 from cutting thing on my current grow. I just was not having any luck getting clones rooted and (out of frustration) I said screw it, lets just stick 'em directly on the table and let them root there. No veg time given, but I was amazed at how fast they rooted and shot up. Anyways, I'm subscribed. Good growing to ya.

Nice looking plants amigo. What number day are the larger ones?

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Also guitarabuser if you are still interested in producing clones and having success at it, follow this video. It is the most complete cloning video you will ever see in my opinion. I went through at least 60 cuttings before I saw this video. Now there is a 90% - 100% success rate. I like rapid rooters over anything else to place the clones in. Also I just use superthrive and hydrodgen peroxide and no seaweed like they suggest. Works great. If you remove the top of the dome and just sit there and watch them with it off for a bit, you will see them fall over. They have to have the humidity at the beginning. 7-14 days and sometimes less than 7 but not normally, you will see roots. No need to even check them until 7-10 days. Just make sure enough water is in the bottom tray to just barely touch the rapid rooters and I am positive you will have success. Three of my friends had a hard time cloning before and now they do it with ease after seeing this video as well.

Remove the dome once a day and spray the cuttings lightly, then replace the dome after only a couple of minutes. Once a day is all you need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iimHkskETg

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Thanks! Today is the first day of week 4. Its Purple Lady from G13 Labs. A freebie seed that saved my butt when my other plans fell apart. This is the other table I have. They are Diesel Ryders at day 28 from seed (12/12 as well). I'm curious to see how the autos do under a flowering schedule from day 1.

Here is the whole grow.

Hey, thanks for the video link. I'll check it out. I was trying to use a bubble cloner (which I have not given up on yet) and finally learned (thanks to searching this site) that my water temps were too high. I have a chiller now, but have not tried it yet. I think my next batch of clones I'm going to try using the bubbler, the more traditional method of putting them in a dome, AND direct to table to see what I get. A side by side comparison.

Ok. I'm doing something wrong here then if those larger ones you have are 1st day of 4th week. I must have shocked them transplanting them. Here is second week, third week and fourth week( right side plants) under a 1000hps.

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That's a cool setup! Those four tall girls of mine were actually rooted in the bubbler. They were placed directly into hydroton and shot up inches per day. The shorties are the ones I stuck directly in the table. Sorry if that was misleading!

Ah ok. It is still nice. Once the flower room is finished it will hold 36 clones or seedlings. Need to build more shelves. It has a gutter below the bases of the 2 litre bottles that is set at a slight angle so when it is watered it all drains into a gallon jug. The ones that have not shown sex yet and fed veg nutes are on the left and the flowering females are on the right. The other side of the room holds two moms, a place for two clone domes up top, an area for clones to take root in soil for two weeks or start up seedlings and storage. It is a work in progress. I saw heaths grow set up and wanted to have a flower room like he had. Here is the other side of that room.

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Excellent use of space! I like the drain setup. A space for moms and clones is something I fought. I ended up building a cabinet for them.

Sorry to sound thick - what is LST?

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