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Old 05-08-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Secure place to buy C3 anti-detection film
Has anyone bought any? If so from where?
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WTF is C3 anti-detection film?
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Old 05-08-2007, 03:48 PM
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WTF is C3 anti-detection film?
mylar thats suppossedly 90% infrared camera proof
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I've googled and found several sources for the material.

I'd be interested in any independent testing of the stuff. Anyone got a thermal imaging camera?

FLIR isn't magic, BTW. It's not like an x-ray. It can only measure the temperature of the surface of what it's looking at. If you have an op in the basement and a bit of an air gap between panda film covering the structure walls, very little heat will be transmitted to the walls. An op in a room in the very middle of a house, surrounded by other rooms and an attic overhead, will be invisible to FLIR. FLIR would see a bright exhaust 'plume' if grow room air were directly dumped to outdoors, though. Dumping grow room air into an attic or a crawl space will spread the heat out to the point where it may not be as noticeable on FLIR, if at all.

A lot depends upon how much light power you're using. If you're at or under a couple kW, a lot of mucking about with FLIR countermeasures probably isn't necessary. As long as lighting is not permitted to directly heat an exterior wall, all should be well... but really BIG ops (whole house, 10-20kW) need all the countermeasures they can get, justifiable when you consider the penalties for such big stuff.
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Good info...thank you. I'm just a little paranoid...figured if I had to wrap in mylar...might as well wrap with C3. Also saw some using Therma Wrap.
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If I had to do any thermal stealth, I think I'd probably go old school... and put up some foil-backed fibreglass insulation on the walls (those with an exterior surface on the other side) and ceilings of the grow room, foil-side inward and then covered with panda film.

I prefer white walls, whether from paint or panda film, to metallic mylar. Mylar can create hotspots, while white walls more evenly spread light.

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if you want to squash the heat signature heres the reflector to do it. it will be on the market in wide spread production in less than 30 days.

Liquid Lumens

We have imaged the bulb with IR @ 1000watts it looks as a normal lamp.
the tops can be 3-5 inches from this tube making you less lan 6 inches from the bulb.

your set up cost will be high, but your off the radar from there.


Being invisible ... priceless
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if you want to squash the heat signature heres the reflector to do it. it will be on the market in wide spread production in less than 30 days.

Liquid Lumens

We have imaged the bulb with IR @ 1000watts it looks as a normal lamp.
the tops can be 3-5 inches from this tube making you less lan 6 inches from the bulb.

your set up cost will be high, but your off the radar from there.


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is their products compadiable with any digital ballast??
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did someone answer the original question?
 

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