Al B. FAQt - Page 5

Al B. Fuct · #41 07-31-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dertmagert

ok.. your not the first person to tell me that a cool tube would do the trick.. but you are the most reputable!..

Thanks for that. It's a bit of an investment but you absolutely will be pleased with them as long as you can get air through them and keep that air separate from that drawn into the op.

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since i planned on investing in a portable ac ( which is expensive in electricity consumption alone ) i will definately try a cool tube first...

You'll especially want cooltubes if you have aircon. It's much less power-intensive to use an air-to-air heat exchanger (ye olde cooltooob) to transfer the lamp's heat energy out of the area than it is to put it into refrigerant, pumped with a power-sucking compressor to shift it outside. Cooltubes will make your aircon run MUCH less often when your ambient temps exceed your 25C setpoint and save you some major cash off the power bill. Yes, get the cooltubes in first!

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the only doubt i have about its function is that my grow space is a room built within a basement.. the basement itself is not air conditioned and maintains a temp of about 28

so even if i have perfect ventilation and my cool tube is cooling the light enough to not allow any raise in temp, i will still be at 28.. which is by farrrrr better than 33..

28 is much more survivable than 33 for sure, but you may still have some localised heat-induced problems near the lamp tubes. Cooltubes stop most of the long wave IR heat but some short wave IR passes through the glass and will warm nearby objects- like plants. If the ambient temp is closer to 25C, that effect is minimised as the plant can dissipate heat easily into the room airmass, coincidentally allowing the lamp to be dropped down lower. A cooltubed 1000 can be run about 300-400mm off the plants at 25C.

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exhausted by a 295 cfm blower. .
i was wondering if one could "get by" with just running the cool tube off of that, having the intake end of the cool tube pulling air from inside the grow (so it could double as cooling/exhaust)

Sorry, no. You do need a separate blower for the cooltube. The cooltube needs a constant supply of air at all times while the light is on. The cooltube fan thus can not be run on a thermostat. If you use your main exhaust blower to run the cooltube, you will not have any control over room air temp, which will be whatever ambient temp is plus a couple degrees C.

Yes, getting another blower may be a bit of an expense, but this upgrade is really worth doing. When you're shopping for fans (150mm axial), check noise ratings. Cheaper fans are usually noisier. Go to a shop and listen to them, even if you buy the same thing online later on. If your fan does wind up making objectionable amounts of whzzzzzzzzzzz, use a fan motor speed controller (not a lamp dimmer!) from Ye Locale Hardewarre Shoppe to slow it down. A fan running at 80% capacity may make 50% less noise than at full boogie yet still keep the cooltube glass from warming, which is really all it has to do.

Al B. Fuct · #42 07-31-2008, 06:51 PM

One more note on cooltubes... gonna treat y'all to a bit of my kindergarten artwork...

This is what is meant by a 'closed air circuit' for the cooltubes. It takes air from outside the room's airmass and puts it outside as well. Don't be tempted to draw air from inside the room for the cooltube. This will affect temperature stability. Use the extra bit of duct and get air from outside.

Also, the cooltube should push air through the cooltube instead of pulling it. It is more efficient for the fan to draw in denser cool air than shift warmed air. A pusher arrangement allows the fan's motor to be cooled by the airflow instead of being heated by the waste heat from the lights, which could conceivably shorten its lifespan.

CALIGIRL · #43 07-31-2008, 10:25 PM

Hey al!
Heres a picture of my first of four trays filled =)

Those are all mostly 2-3ft tall flowering for 20 days from 6-9in clones.

When i put in fill the next tray with clones, The light will be very far up because of those plants that are already in. Is this ok?

How far do you keep your lights up?

=) Everytime I think I have it down, I come up with more questions =\

Thanks

sparkafire · #44 07-31-2008, 11:31 PM

Count me in!

sparkafire · #45 07-31-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZEN MASTER

before i start i want to say the this isn't a Al b. fuct ass kissing celebration, it's just a fellow smoker saying thanks.
hey what's going on dude?you don't know me cuz i'm new ot the sight,but i wanted to say that i am glad that you are ok and somewhat back in action. you know they say "you never miss your water until the well runs dry". i'm saying that to say you might not know it, but in my opinion you are a invaluable source of not just knowledge, but in my case inspiration. for the simple fact that when you are on you are always extremely helpful to the best of your ability, which to me is stellar,you may be a little sarcastic at times but never insulting, and always funny(to me), and no matter what you always make a person feel like "I can do it". Its just a good feeling to know that there are still people in this game that have not turned to cut-throat tactics, and ventured to the darkside of the weed game(thinking of themselves only)and are willing to be somewhat of a "MENTOR TO THE MASSES". because the more of us that there are out there,the stronger we become.I usually don't post alot of post,but i read EVERYTHING you post. So hey man stay up, keep bangin out that good shit, and thanks for being who you are.
Wow looks like I did kinda get my nose in there abit, huh?

P.S. i knew that the 2 wk harvest post might not last that long, because you would probably be overwhelmed by the barrage of questions from everyone that didn't read the post completly,so i added it to my favorites just in case, and for reference material.
AL B. FUCT you fucking rock dude!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEACE!!!!

Nice Job ZEN Master I second that motion!!! Didn't write my own for the fact that I really didn't think there was room for any more "Fuct Heads" trying to get their nose brown LOL . Its bad enough I named my grow in your honor didn't think i needed to say any more other than thanks for your help.

My name is Sparky and I am a "Fuct Head"

Al B. Fuct · #46 08-01-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CALIGIRL

Hey al!

Those are all mostly 2-3ft tall flowering for 20 days from 6-9in clones.

Curious, the internode lengths are a bit long. What's the temps like in there? Did you flower clones right after they set root with no veg time?

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When i put in fill the next tray with clones, The light will be very far up because of those plants that are already in. Is this ok?

How far do you keep your lights up?

Yeah, should be ok. The little ones catch up quick. I have 1000W HPS in cooltubes; they live about 300-400mm above the tops.

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Originally Posted by sparkafire

My name is Sparky and I am a "Fuct Head"

hahahahah

Better than being fuct IN the head, I guess.

CALIGIRL · #47 08-01-2008, 03:05 AM

Yep I flowered them right after they rooted from my areo cloner, they went from bout 7in. to 2-3 feet and still growing i think.

Al B. Fuct · #48 08-01-2008, 03:21 AM

What's the air temp & RH looking like?

Any sativa in the DNA?

ZEN MASTER · #49 08-01-2008, 08:34 AM

[quote=sparkafire;1126774]Nice Job ZEN Master I second that motion!!! Didn't write my own for the fact that I really didn't think there was room for any more "Fuct Heads" trying to get their nose brown LOL . Its bad enough I named my grow in your honor didn't think i needed to say any more other than thanks for your help.

i wouldn't say that i'm a "Fuct Head" so to speak, but i am definitly a fan no..doubt..about it. i don't know, its just that he does what he really doesn't have to do for "FREE". he not only gives advice, he gives detailed advice. not theories, but some actual"this is what i did(or what i do)an this is how it worked for me" type of shit, and can back it up.and if its something he doesn't know he'll tell you where to go, and this is in his free time. so yea, he's a pretty fucking cool dude to me, wish i knew him.
But anyway I'm out.

PEACE!!!!!!

CALIGIRL · #50 08-01-2008, 01:29 PM

The temp is around 75-85 deg. Humidity is about 50%
Its a sativia/indica strain but from what i read its indica dominate
When i veg the same strain to mothers the leaves are big and fat
But when I put these clones into flower, the leaves are skinny
Maybe I should go with a different strain?