Alright guys. I am new here and new to growing altogether and I am trying to make the most of my space by going big and seeing what I can get. I will add pics soon so that everybody can see what I am doing.

To make things easier I will list it all here:

2X (yes 2) - Deep H2O cultivation + drip feed systems

each includes:

HYDROHUT Deluxes 8 X 4 (7' tall) (for flowering)
10X 5 gallon buckets with baskets (for 10 plants)
25 gallon res w/ 5 gallon reserve (float vale controled)
3X 400W full spectrum MH (I think, I was told this is a great light for both flowering and veg although I am not using these for veg). I also have HPS ballasts but they power my lights great!
Sub pump
Air pump
lasko oscillating tower fan
2X 6 inch oscillating ceiling fans (mounted in each corner)
water heater (78 degree)
2X inline fans (high powered almost $200 each)

1X 4X4X7 HYDROHUT (VEGGIE CENTRAL)

4X CFL lighting array (vitalight CFL)
2X2 drainging tray
10 gallon res
air pump w/ stone
sub pump
water heater (78 degree)
1X 19" oscillating fan
1X Soon to be installed 6" inline fan

Both lights have a max height of about 5' 8"

Gonna use mostly perlite for the growing medium. I will be using distilled water with nutes when they hit the flowering room.

I am using rock wool to start the babies and I was using a flood and drain system to water them. I think I may have stunted them with too much water and they have stopped growing. I also burned one fo the babies by keeping it too close to the GFL with no ventilation. I have 9 critical mass babies and 15 Sense Star clones. I origially only had 10 but a couple got burnt because of poor ventilation so I got 5 more new clones to use. With the inline fans and tower fan I think I have solved that problem. Everything is in a garage 26 X 15 and the air is okay. I think I may need some more fresh air solutions but as of now my temp is at a solid 69 and humidity of about 46 or so.

I am using my HID light on 18/6 to speed up veg growth on the clones. As of now one 400 watt light seems to be enough. Almost too much since some got burnt. I moved the light away and got my venti going good. As of now nothing is connected to the hydro system. Just hand watering. I am just fearful that I may have been watering them too much since I am seeing some droopy leaves.

So far just use a little bit of nutes on my clones. Half strength of nova grow by GH.

No nutes on the seedlings. Once I have pics you can all see what is going on.

Like I said, I will have pics soon.

I really need help with nutes and watering cycles. I am using a cycle stat timer with light sensitivity and I need help with how I should use it.

That damned rock wool holds water like crazy and I need to stop over watering!

Please lets all try together and help me

Consider this a learning experience. You may not get gold your first try friend, learn from your mistakes, learn through trial and error. It sounds like you've done your home work. If things don't go perfect the first try no big deal, you'll figure out how to make everything go your way and things will pick back up again. Keep us posted, I look forward to seeing your pics.

Why would you use the MH for flowering and not for vegging. And why, if you have all those different lights would you not use the cfl.s for the younger plants, especially with the problems you are having.
Yep, rockwool cubes hold water pretty well so why would you water seedling everyday. it doesn't matter when you water the clones because they don't have any roots yet, you have to mist the tops ar least a few times a day until they get roots. May be I 'm just stoned.

to man how big were your clones when they got burn and how close was your light? my sproutlings are like 1-2 inches and i have my 400 wat MH about 32 inches away! planing on them getting like 6 iinches then going to 24 on the light. then keeping it around 18 inches away through the rest of the process... i dunno the only thing i am sketchy on is my light distance :[

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Clones and seedling should be started on floros like shop lights with the leaves almost touching them.After 7-10 days you can change lights if root formation is confirmed.The floros should be 24 hours a day and rockwool should stay prettu damn with little watering since only the leaves can intale food and water until roots are formed.MH os good for vegging I like to go 2 weeks 24 hours and then 18/6 for week or 2 before switching to hps 12/12 flowering stage.I have my moms which were from clone on a 24 hour cycle now for about 4 weeks as I am going to pull 40 plus new clones from 5 moms so I wanna veg them real good , take my clones then cut lights back to 18/6 to eleviate shock.A good way to tell if your lights are position right is the simple old hand test.Put your hans at the top leaves of your plant with palm down .Hold your hand there for about 5 minutes if the heat is comfortable to the skin your not to close.I use mostly 1000 watt systems and keep them about 14-18 inches away from tops.my 400 watt lights about a foot above.The further away you go the increase in stretching will happen.More light also will increase potency and bud density.Good temp to grow in is to keep temp no more then 78 degree F and no less then 68 degree F.75 - 78 is optimol.Mist the clones a few times a day.I like to keep them in a humidity dome until ready to pot them in median.Mist them and watch the lid.If no moisture shows remist the leaves.Dont mist the dome lid as it just blocks light.A heating pad under the tray also helps but I suggest a 1/2 inch space so the pad heat doesnt hurt tender new forming roots.Open the dome 2 times aday for 15 minutes to refresh domes air.Maybe some of this will help.Carefull misting with fert in th watre make sure its very week at first quarter strength is more then enough.

Oh wow, let me see if I can reply to all.

First to Victor Vicious:

Currently I am using both my CFL 4 X4 hut for vegging as well as one of my 8 X4 huts (MH light). THe other 8 X4 is on standby.

Here is a link to my light bulb manufacturer:

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Hopefully that will answer some questions about the bulb.

Currently I have 10 rooted sensestar clones in the 8X4 with the MH. They are all in rockwool and are recovering from their recent "burn". THey dont look too bad but I will add pics on my next post so you can all see.

In my 4 X4 I have 9 critical mass seedlings. They all look so so right now and the weakest of the nine was just transplanted (I will tell you why later).

In the 4 X 4 I also have 5 more sensestar clones. Please keep in mind that all of my clones have already taken roots so I figured that I had to water them.

The newest 5 clones look the best out of all of my plants right now. They are all clumped together in small rockwool cubes and are sitting together in a bag. Don't worry there is no standing water and I water them very little.

Some seedlings are looking okay but are mostly a light green color and have stopped growing. I did burn them slightly because of lack on ventilation. Luckily my vent problem has been solved but now I have temp ploblems. I am at about 69 degrees right now and am trying to warm it up a bit with a small portable heater.

To Whitebombs:

My clones were like 4" or so when they got burnt. Remember that I had no vent at the time. Now it is a cool 69 and as is well.

To Filthy Fletch.

Thanks for the info. My clones all of roots so my ass is saved there. As of now I am just hand watering to rockwool with distilled h2o with 1/2 strength floranova. I am worried about going 24 hr since my hydro guy said that it can be stresful for plants and that it fucks up their metabolism. My temp is at 69 and holding. once all 3 MH lights are on I should be able to get it above 70. Floro veg room is always cold but we will see if the heater works. I never mist with fert, just distilled h2o.


To all:

Do think I should stuff all of my clones and plants under floro?

Now that my system has good air should I lower my NH lights? They are at about 2'6" right now.

Also, I really fucked up on my rockwool. The first 9 seedlinds and 10 cloned plants were all transplanted into unsoaked rockwool (oops).

I bought more rockwool and soaked it in the reccomended PH and I noticed that the texture and consistancy of the soaked rockwool is so much softer and better than the non soaked. I cracked open a cube belonging to one of the seedling as well as one of the clooned and noticed that the roots are not taking too well to the non-soaked rockwool.

DO you think I need to transplant all of them into new rockwool before the roots get too big?

I fear that by not soaking the first set of cubes I may have disrupted the ph balance as well as the plants ability to root into that shit.

Please let me know what you all think about this.

I still have 5 more clones awaiting transplant where I hope to do the things the right way.

BTW, I have already tansplanted my weakest seedling into one of the correctly soaked cubes. We will see what he does.

Please post, I love hearing from everybody!!!

Well looks like I can only post 5 pics today. I will get more up tomorrow so we will focus on the important stuff for right now. First off for today I will show you my stuff.

I also have a buddy named "P" Diddy who is growing using both the same seeds and same clones as I am all stared at the same time.

First is all of my clones together. All 10:

http://www.rollitup.org/attachment.p...2&d=1171015824


Note the burned plant on the second colum from the left second down from the top. Got my HID too close with no ventilation!!!

Here is a halfway decent looking clone:

http://www.rollitup.org/attachment.p...1&d=1171015587

Here is my burnt (and worst looking seedling) 1 hour after transplant into properly soaked rockwool:

http://www.rollitup.org/attachment.p...0&d=1171015587

Look at the difference between one of my decent looking seedlings vs the 5 new sense clones. These clones are new and look happy. They are still in their new cubes but will break out soon (hopefully). Right now they just sit in a bag all huddled together:

http://www.rollitup.org/attachment.p...9&d=1171015486

Here is a good pic of the veggie tray. Just recently upgraded to the drip hydro. Bye bye flood and drain. oh yeah, you can see the 5 new cubes chillin and waiting for new clones.

http://www.rollitup.org/attachment.p...8&d=1171015486


Tomorrow I will hopefully find a way to add more than 5 pics so you can see "p's" setup. Keep in mind that I am using 150 watt floro x4 in an array. Temp is at 75 now (thanks to heater) and humidity is about 56. Got 9 critical mass seedlings here and 5 sense star clones.

and remember guys please dont forget about the 10 sense star clones in the HID setup.

Please try to answer my earlier questions from the last post if you can.

Thanks,

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here are the seedlings:

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Here are the clones:

Remember these are the first 10 sense star clones that both P Diddy and I got. These are in the 8x4 under the MH full spec:

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damnit! looks like she might make a comeback though...

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