Fogger, drip irrigation or both?

happy.fuzz

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I will be ordering my components to my DWC system tomorrow and I am trying to decide on a couple things. I can afford to get both drip irrigation and this fogger/vaporizer with float. I am wondering if I even need the drip system. From what I have seen, alot of people use it sparingly anyway, for example: 15 minutes 3 to 4 times daily at 3gph. Seems like more maintenance than dirt. My idea is that I have the bubble stones oxygenating the water and the vaporizer breaking down the water to microns for quick absorption through the roots. I dunno how long the discs last on the vaporizer though. I am on hold with the company customer service as I am typing...Ok no word on the micron level it produces. The discs can be cleaned instead of replaced. They can get clogged at higher ppm levels. Thats another plus. I just don't wanna buy all the tubing etc and configure all that and then have it owning me everyday every four hours. I am looking for a little more automation. I guess I could get a timer but still doesnt seem like I really even need it. Maybre I should post this in the setup room? Anyone got insight on this? Please and Thankyou!
 

email468

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i'm no expert but i see no benefit to running both a drip and fogger at the same time.

But whatever you're going to use to water - put it on a timer! -- don't trust clocks and watches.
 

happy.fuzz

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I have seen some schedules for the drip irrigation like I mentioned but I havent seen much for foggers. Would it roughly be the same? Both systems are gonna cost about the same so that doesnt help me decide. I guess I am lookin for ease of use I guess. Thanks for the help. So far the drip seems less maintenance because if i do get a timer I dont have to worry about cleaning/replacing parts as such with the disc in the fogger. Thanks again email and I like you journal. Definetly good results. Was that weight you mentioned "just short of a pound" dry weight?
 

email468

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I use an aeroponic sprayer (the rainforest) and follow the directions. The sprayer is on 24/7 during veg and once you switch to 12/12 - the sprayer is on while the lights are on. And the sprayer also comes on about an hour during the middle of the dark period.

yes - ended up being 15+ oz with 4+ g bubble hash. Had i not nute-burned and let them over grow i suspect i would have ended up with at least 1.5 lb. three plants.
 

happy.fuzz

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yes - ended up being 15+ oz with 4+ g bubble hash. Had i not nute-burned and let them over grow i suspect i would have ended up with at least 1.5 lb. three plants.
DAMNNNNNNNNN!!! Definetly good job! I will be goin over that journal again fosho! HAHA
 

email468

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DAMNNNNNNNNN!!! Definetly good job! I will be goin over that journal again fosho! HAHA
i wish i could call it skill but i give credit to: RIU folks, awesome seeds, a great light and the fact that weed (especially PPP) is very resilient to idiot growers like myself.

What i really learned from this grow was
1) how to feed in hydro (from this thread):
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/41552-ppm-question.html

Pay particular attention to Earl and Panda's posts.

2) I should have trained my plants (lollypop) much sooner than i did
3) should have switched to 12/12 a few weeks sooner
4) use only the trich covered leaves in the bubble bag system
 

email468

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I'm not sure exactly what loud blunts means but i'll bet it is something important.

also - when i was talking about aeroponics/foggers - i was talking about a hydro system built for aero (or a DIY) - i'm not sure how this fogger would work.
 

LoudBlunts

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How do you mean? Is it junk? hehe
not at all, im very interested in the technology.

in fact, me, munchbox and filthyfletch are taking a stab at it. munchbox has taken the lead tho ...visit his thread here.https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/50518-diy-portable-ultrasonic-fogger.html

im interested in making a fogger incorporated with ebb n flow or ebb n flow with fogger. i say it that way b/c fogger systems alone cannot distribute enough water and nutrients to plants, let alone big and growing plants.

however, fogger systems are very productive in cloner applications.

the reason i say becareful with the fogger applications is because if you fog the rootzone, make sure it doesnt leave the rootzone. meaning..... make sure it doesnt rise up and get to the foliage. foggers can foliar feed and can (not saying it will, but it can) damage/burn the leaves. this is caused from the high salt build up. (you already feeding the rootzone, WHILE AT THE SAME time foilar feeding at dangerous concentration levels)

foggers also clog, so make sure you get a quality one, if not make sure you get some disc to replace...(which you should have a few regardless of quality)

nutramist has come out with the system but i think they need to be perfect, especially for the arm and the leg they charge for it. but i would recommend you get a nutramist fogger... as they are teflon coated ultrasonic transducers, specifically designed for use with dissolved nutrient solutions, so they help prevent salt buildup which causes premature failure.

NUTRAMIST Single Head Fog Module @ FUTUREGARDEN.COM
 

happy.fuzz

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Very good stuff loudblunts what is your take on combining drip irrigation and the fogger? What is the fogger usually running with? I was originally going to run drip irrigation and the fogger. Maybe I will just run the drip for this is my first grow and I kinda wanna keep it simple and grow on that ya know? But good stuff and I totally like that fogger you suggested better. Thanks.
 

LoudBlunts

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drip irrigation and fogger? not sure....


and im also not sure as to what is the best combo with the fogger, still brainstorming and running test/experiments. unfortunately i have to shut down shop for a minute, so it wont be soon
 

happy.fuzz

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Maybe I will test out the fogger as well, heck with it. If I don't get what I feel are maximum results then I will go with the drip alone or somethin.
 

anomaloustango

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avalible for 3 for five on ebay

I don't think that nutrasystem makes their foggers. There seems to only be two or maybe three manufacturers I have come across.

When shipping is considered here is where I have found the best deals so far.

Mist maker world
 

Earl

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Maybe I will test out the fogger as well, heck with it. If I don't get what I feel are maximum results then I will go with the drip alone or somethin.
You're gonna drop a hundo
just to find out what some of us
have been trying to warn you.

I hope you take some pictures,
and show us how it grows for you.

Please?

I'll send you some good beans,
if you can show us how great the fog is,
and then you can get in the challenge with us.

.
 

anomaloustango

Active Member
I ended up buying a six head fogger from Futuregarden . They are competitive or less expensive than anywhere else I looked -- including Ebay and igived a six month warranty rather than a "What you buy is what you get" -- attitude. Plus they shipped it the same day

Nutramist Fogger for Hydroponics and Aeroponics by FUTUREGARDEN

This is an actual Nutrimist brand fogger--with the teflon coated ceramic discs. At $109 this is the best deal I have found on a six head fogger. This unit puts out about twice as much fog as the one Nutrimist uses in their own foggers. But as I said in my last post. Nutrimist does not make the units they just brand them and use the best discs in them. I could have gotten a five head from Mainland Mart for about $100 with shipping, but would have had to pay state tax. For an extra $21 dollars $12 of which was shipping -- I got an additional head, the best ceramic/teflon discs, and a six month warranty. And the techs at Future garden were helpful and honest. One of the first things they said was that fog alone was unreliable.

I think Earls words of caution are words of wisdom, and will personally be using the fog as part of a tribryd system fog/aero/membrane.

Some factors I have learned regarding foggers:

For large plants, foggers should be a supplement not the sole nutriment/water system. While NASA may be able to grow lettuce and spinach most effectively with fogger/nebulzers, large plants present additional factors into the mix.

Nebulizer type foggers should be utalized in such a way that the water that they are using to create fog is seperate from any water the plants roots may be in continuous contact with, such as in a bubbler. This will keep the root water cooler which is good, and allow the fogger water to be warmer which adds to it's efficiency.

Foggers with party lights should be avoided--as they create even more heat, and lighting up your roots continuously is not a good idea as it will stimulate and repress hormonal changes, adding more unknowns in an already massive list of variables.

Your fogger will kill anything alive in the water it turns into fog, so in theory, if all your water came from fog, ultra violet sterilizers and antimicrobal/fungal additives would be unnecessary.

Running your fogger in an intermittent pattern will extend it's life and may actually increase fine root development and nutrient absorbtion.

It may be beneficial to have a purge cycle where fresh clean air is forced into the root chamber--forcing all fog and humidity out. Think of the time lapse movies of a the cloud forests of the Andies that thrive without water--in cycles of clouds and high dry desert air.

A fogger is the best device to use for folar feeding, should you do that. It completely envelopes all plant surfaces in the most easily absorbed form.

Using a fogger is a superior way to root clones.

Fogger systems and fogger hybred systems can be build really inexpensively--for less than one fifth of what an off the shelf system would cost.

It seems as things get more sophisticated technolocically they eventually reach a point were they get simplier instead of more complex. I see a rather elegant future where inexpensive high output LED light panels and media free aerophonic schemes powered by in home hydrogen generators will be grown between the walls of your house and attended by Rumbalike robotic devices who will clip trichrome clusters that are perfectly rippened on the plant and deliver them in an already warm vaporizer to your hover lounge in the halodeck.

From the house of vapor and fog
Cheers
 

Earl

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One of the first things they said was that fog alone was unreliable.

I will personally be using the fog as part of a tribryd system fog/aero/membrane.

Some factors I have learned regarding foggers:

For large plants, foggers should be a supplement not the sole nutriment/water system. While NASA may be able to grow lettuce and spinach most effectively with fogger/nebulzers, large plants present additional factors into the mix.

Running your fogger in an intermittent pattern will extend it's life and may actually increase fine root development and nutrient absorbtion.

It may be beneficial to have a purge cycle where fresh clean air is forced into the root chamber--forcing all fog and humidity out. Think of the time lapse movies of a the cloud forests of the Andies that thrive without water--in cycles of clouds and high dry desert air.

A fogger is the best device to use for folar feeding, should you do that. It completely envelopes all plant surfaces in the most easily absorbed form.

Using a fogger is a superior way to root clones.

Fogger systems and fogger hybred systems can be build really inexpensively--for less than one fifth of what an off the shelf system would cost.

It seems as things get more sophisticated technolocically they eventually reach a point were they get simplier instead of more complex. I see a rather elegant future where inexpensive high output LED light panels and media free aerophonic schemes powered by in home hydrogen generators will be grown between the walls of your house and attended by Rumbalike robotic devices who will clip trichrome clusters that are perfectly rippened on the plant and deliver them in an already warm vaporizer to your hover lounge in the halodeck.

From the house of vapor and fog
Cheers
Can we have an AMEN brothers?

Amen Amen Amen.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
I see a rather elegant future where inexpensive high output LED light panels and media free aerophonic schemes powered by in home hydrogen generators will be grown between the walls of your house and attended by Rumbalike robotic devices who will clip trichrome clusters that are perfectly rippened on the plant and deliver them in an already warm vaporizer to your hover lounge in the halodeck.
Sign me up for that vision of the future!
 

pkp134

Active Member
I personally experimented with a Ufogger in one of my early grows, one of hte biggest problems I had was that it created a horrible salt build up, and really messed with the ppm. Some nutes are ionized easier than others. I also learned that it generated alot of heat ( caused by those little plates that vibrate so fast they ionize the water molecules)in my nutrient take i.e leading to mold problems, which is horrible for the rootzone. If you are looking to grow aeroponically listen to those whos use the sprayers, they are a more direct controlled application. perhaps a Ufogger would be best to supplement a spray, drip, ebb, or dwc system during veg. I don't know if I would risk the fluctuating humidity that the Ufogger causes in use.
 

feminized

Active Member
I ended up buying a six head fogger from Futuregarden . They are competitive or less expensive than anywhere else I looked -- including Ebay and igived a six month warranty rather than a "What you buy is what you get" -- attitude. Plus they shipped it the same day
House of Hydro on Ebay is actually cheaper, shipping included, than FutureGarden. TWO year warranty. They gave me extra replacement discs too.They even had a 12 head for sale.... One could only dream! The guy walked me through the set up as well.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/houseofhydro/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
 
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