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forums; Originally Posted by dgaf757 yeah i know that plants create amino, enzymes, and other growth regulators on their own, but ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaf757 View Post
    yeah i know that plants create amino, enzymes, and other growth regulators on their own, but my previous understanding was that by providing the plants with these chemicals in the fertilizer, the plant didnt have to concentrate on making they all on their own. thus speeding up the growth and blooming and i am so concerned about it because i dont veg my plants... at all. i pop them from seed, run 24/0 for a week or so and then boom they go into bloom. i mean im not new to growing, but if what im using isnt really doing much then theres no point in me wasting big bucks on the nutes. but i do harvest every 6-8 weeks which is again why i thought if i added these chemicals the plant wouldnt have to work to create it on their own.

    im always down to getting new info on growing and trying to incorperate it into my grow cycle if it benefits my plants and my wallet.
    The same logic is used by the 'defoliation crowd'. If my plant doesn't spend all this energy on maintaining leaves, it can better concentrate on making flowers. These companies will tell you all kinds of shiz to sell you their products. Leaves produce buds and your plants already makes their own carbs, sugars, aminos, hormones and enzymes. Your role as an indoor gardener is just to provide a good environment and the food needed for the plant to carry out the same process it has since the beginning of time.


    Just a suggestion about how your run your show. When your plants hit day 20 of flower or so, you should be germing more seeds or taking cuttings so you can veg for a few weeks before you flower. If I wasn't perpetual, I'd still be harvesting as frequently as you but I'd be putting 2 footers into flowering instead of 'no veg plants'. It's all about staggering and timing.

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    i feel ya on that one. diy is really the only way to grow now because anything premade is was over priced. i better understand what you meant about spending 20 in nutes because i did the same thing when i was growing in peat. man nutes are wayy easier to afford when growing in soil/soiless. but i gotta make up 55gal of nutrient solution every week, so either way im still screwed because i run through nutes reall quick. the hardest part about all of this is i was on a schedule with botanicare, i knew how much to expect in yield every grow... and now im scrambling around trying to find a nute program that my plants like and that fits my schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homebrewer View Post
    The same logic is used by the 'defoliation crowd'. If my plant doesn't spend all this energy on maintaining leaves, it can better concentrate on making flowers. These companies will tell you all kinds of shiz to sell you their products. Leaves produce buds and your plants already makes their own carbs, sugars, aminos, hormones and enzymes. Your role as an indoor gardener is just to provide a good environment and the food needed for the plant to carry out the same process it has since the beginning of time.


    Just a suggestion about how your run your show. When your plants hit day 20 of flower or so, you should be germing more seeds or taking cuttings so you can veg for a few weeks before you flower. If I wasn't perpetual, I'd still be harvesting as frequently as you but I'd be putting 2 footers into flowering instead of 'no veg plants'. It's all about staggering and timing.

    thats true their main goal really is to sell you their product. i think instead of going out and buying another expensive cycle of nutes this time... im just going to run on the basics and see if i can even tell theres a difference.

    about the germing seeds... thats exactly what i do i pop the seeds about the 3-4 weeks in so that when i harvest i immediately put the seedlings in flower. i breed most of my own seeds and since i have no vegging i feel its kinda pointless to try and keep a mother plant or to clone them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaf757 View Post

    about the germing seeds... thats exactly what i do i pop the seeds about the 3-4 weeks in so that when i harvest i immediately put the seedlings in flower. i breed most of my own seeds and since i have no vegging i feel its kinda pointless to try and keep a mother plant or to clone them.
    Well depending on your light source, bigger plants usually yield better. Try germing on day 1 of flower of just go perpetual and harvest every week.

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    yeah youre definately right. i pretty much got away from bigger plant only because on my first grow a few years ago i was given a skunk/haze plant by my boy and he grew outside. long story short, it scared me away from big plants but i know now that it was only because of the genetics that made it so out of control. i had a pretty good routine going for a while there but now im scarmbling with nutes i might just give to germing a try either today or tomorrow because my newer batch is 2 weeks into flower.

    oh by the way on a routine run to lowes today to get fertilizer for my lawn, i ran across a purely iron product. it comes in a 1 gallon size for like $6 so i think im going to use up the rest of my advanced nutes and see if adding this does anything to correct the iron defic. ill definately post back on here whether or not it helps, does nothing, or creates more problems.

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    From my experience with AN is that when you FIRST mix your nutrient mixture, the PH is then "perfect". You're still going to have to monitor and adjust PH a few days or so later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ganjaman87 View Post
    From my experience with AN is that when you FIRST mix your nutrient mixture, the PH is then "perfect". You're still going to have to monitor and adjust PH a few days or so later..
    well this new ph perfect formula (it hasnt been released to be sold in the US yet) it automatically corrects the ph so that it is always available at the proper ph level, but thats not my real concern as i know it works. the part im reaqlly pissed about is that they not only left iron out in the base sensi bloom formula, but none of their suppliments contain any trace of iron either. i use everythng except the pirhana, tarantula, and sensizym. i use everything else and i had bad iron defic. problems and after paying all that money i didnt think id have that problem. i still have like a liter of each left so for the next 2 weeks im going to use the liquid iron suppliment i got for cheap and dilute the hell out of it and see how well it works.

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    I havent run into this Iron thing but Im using the origanal formula not the PH perfect stuff, and im geting fantastic results
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    Heres the truth u should know, it doesnt matter if someone has over 10 years of growing or someone just started out. just do whatever works for you. i used ANs full line (not sensi but GMB and not ph perfect) everyone rags on AN but it works for me. i've tried GH, i just saw better results for me using AN. Every company wants to make money, every store that you go to wants to make money. its supply and demand. just do whatever works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellraizer30 View Post
    +rep to you sir very well said!!!
    thank you! are you aero or dwc?

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