It's A Fuct World

**jasman** · 03-26-2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by painkillerman

ya once day is just not gonna cut this kinda room . id say running 6/12 dat/night cycle (best yeild 40%less power usage too not drop in yields at all )but thats not this topic ,,2 3in cycles= 3 2min cycles same daily volume more often feedings yes top up h202 daily use 25% decay n up from there no,the plant is being decayed this is the bubbles h202 comined with organic matter decays and 02 is realeased ,but is nothing osmosic bout this reaction(i use soft center stem ex because its just that wetn soft i find itd easyier to tell if u used this method again this was only example just add h202 at ur rate based on ur findings but up to 2-3ml if uped slowly is awesome growth cominbine 6/12 the only problem ull have is finding jars to cure it all thanks i try ps keep em coming

I had heard about these shortened day cycles before but always dismissed it and thought it wouldn't work. So your saying I should only run lights for 6 hours then off for 6? Making the plant think that a full day has passed when really only 12 hours has. Ahh right I got you on the decay reaction. So if it fizzes then I don't need to top up but if there's no reaction get the h2o2 out. Thanks painkiller dude ur info is being absorbed

**painkillerman** · 03-26-2012, 02:41 PM

18 hours total day cycle 6 hours lights on ,12 hours lights off u need a 1200watt tungstun1875 watt(for safety) capable digital timer there days the lights on 2times u need this or dont even try

**jasman** · 03-26-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by painkillerman

18 hours total day cycle 6 hours lights on ,12 hours lights off u need a 1200watt tungstun1875 watt(for safety) capable digital timer there days the lights on 2times u need this or dont even try

I will not be doing this. I don't like the fact that my plants would be robbed of light for 6 hours. I also dislike the fact that my available work time in the op without having to use silly greenlights and whatnot would be limited and at different times every day. Do you do this? It seems rather risky to me. You obv know better but I'd rather just stick with what works for me. Thanks though.

**Al B. Fuct** · 03-26-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by painkillerman

ya once day is just not gonna cut this kinda room . id say running 6/12 dat/night cycle (best yeild 40%less power usage too not drop in yields at all )but thats not this topic

You can do this in your op if you like but I strongly recommend against monkeying around with photoperiods.

**jasman** · 03-26-2012, 08:05 PM

I agree its not natural and an unneccesary risk well atleast for me it is

**Al B. Fuct** · 03-26-2012, 08:09 PM

You can do a lot of things to make cannabis plants bend to your will in artificial conditions- SoG lets you grow unnaturally short plants, for example- but messing with the photoperiod is asking for problems, notably hermaphrodism.

**mountainboy** · 03-27-2012, 09:22 AM

Hi Al, I know its mostly strain dependent, but I was wondering if you might have any ideas on how to keep my plants at a finished height of 2ft. I thought maybe by keeping air temps cooler ,but no big swings in temps between lights on and off, or maybe reducing N in the nute mix until they finish stretching. I dont want to just start with smaller clones as I worry that would reduce yield. My start height for clones now is 8''. But would like to start with even larger ones.
O.K. for real last question(for now)lol. I have no heat issues at all with my a/c 1000w light, so is 1ft. from canopy to close?
On a separate issue, I was the guy with the duckfoot, I looked all over for info on growing indoors with the stuff and came up empty,just wondering if you might have come across anything?
Thanks again for your help Al. As always thanks in advance and looking forward to your response.

**panhead** · 03-27-2012, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by painkillerman

18 hours total day cycle 6 hours lights on ,12 hours lights off u need a 1200watt tungstun1875 watt(for safety) capable digital timer there days the lights on 2times u need this or dont even try

A word of caution for gowers,light cycles like the unorthodox lighting schedule above should not be used but by growers with heavy experience,or by growers that have a 2nd grow area outside the main grow.

Some well known growers have had good success using unorthodox schedules but to the average new grower the dangers far outweigh any benifits or enhancements to yeilds.

As al allready pointed out hermaphroditism is a real consequence with onorthodox schedules,even for a highly experienced grower the odd's of having the plants turn hermie are seriously increased,for an inexperienced grower its allmost assured to end in disaster.

**painkillerman** · 03-27-2012, 11:13 PM

well said guys ,as i never recommened anyone grow this way i was just pointing out how i obtain 2.0gpw

but that said ive been this 18 years now and ur right its not my only room

i used this method from day one as way i learned was advanced from older chap who was prized orcid grower

n believe the sun will never hit the ground for 12 hours on any point on earth at 75% growth rates capable (i guess in his eyes 12 hours was just wrong as plants rarely hit these kinds hours direct sunlight anywhere unless artifial (clouds,sunrise,sunset ,shade due to moving sun etc )

leading him through years of watching and making the world grow came on too 6/12

HERMIES yes in the begin crop sativa's dont like this cycle at all 25% 75% ive had great sucess with no seeds yet (MY BAD but as i was just trying anwser a question IF and forgot theres people that will try to duplcate these conditions when they dont have the skill set to manage all aspects that need be factored in to make this cycle growing advantagous
KNOW YOUR SKILLSET AND PLAY WITHIN IT FOR BEST RESULTS

**jasman** · 03-28-2012, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by painkillerman

well said guys ,as i never recommened anyone grow this way i was just pointing out how i obtain 2.0gpw but that said ive been this 18 years now and ur right its not my only room i used this method from day one as way i learned was advanced from older chap who was prized orcid grower n believe the sun will never hit the ground for 12 hours on any point on earth at 75% growth rates capable (i guess in his eyes 12 hours was just wrong as plants rarely hit these kinds hours direct sunlight anywhere unless artifial (clouds,sunrise,sunset ,shade due to moving sun etc )leading him through years of watching and making the world grow came on too 6/12 HERMIES yes in the begin crop sativa's dont like this cycle at all 25% 75% ive had great sucess with no seeds yet (MY BAD but as i was just trying anwser a question IF and forgot theres people that will try to duplcate these conditions when they dont have the skill set to manage all aspects that need be factored in to make this cycle growing advantagous KNOW YOUR SKILLSET AND PLAY WITHIN IT FOR BEST RESULTS

Yeah dude thanks for that. Personally I am in no way shape or form ready to experiment in such way. But its good to know that if I ever did then the resources and knowledge are here to learn from. Honestly I will never tire of reading Al's threads. It seems knowledge attracts knowledge. Easily the best threads on the net! Keep up the good work guys!