i have a question
has anyone ever used all of the nutrients together that are in the advanced nutrients nutrient calculator?? i mean i dont think it would hurt the plants to much because i reasearched all of the nutrients and what they are used for and each one helps for a different part of the plant. Will i get amazing results if i use all of the nutrients provided in the calculator with the right amounts??? i just wanna know if all that stuff is necessary for the amazing results????

heres the link to the calculator...... the nutrients used and correct amounts are listed

http://www.advancednutrients.com/nut...alculator.html

someone help me out please, i am new to hydroponic growing and im still trying to understand the different nutrients, how to mix them, and what they can do

thanx everyone

I own hammerhead, bigbud liquid, revive, overdrive & genius neem oil.
I'm interested in the newer bud candy, quite pricey though!

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I think something newer folks need to keep in mind is that it's generally better to try out a few things first, see how it goes and then go full out for following grows.

Sure, you can use all of the Advanced Nutrients products at once (been there, done that), but it sounds like you might not be too comfortable with growing yet - and that's not going to make things easier.

Try out a few things, like Sensi A&B, then see what happens, then add more to your grow as you see fit.

These are going to be YOUR babies, so you need to watch them, listen to them, and then see what they like. My plants like the Advanced Nutrients lineup, but maybe yours just need a little boost and not the whole line.

I do not even consider buying products that the manafactures will not divulge the formula analysis for. If it sayss trade secrets o proprietary ingrediants it is pretty much guarnteed your being raked over the coals as far as the purchase costs. "The exact ingredients our scientists discovered for Connoisseur are trade secrets. We can't divulge them. Some of them are extremely hard to spell or even pronounce." Yeah buudy, what a line. No MSDS, no Analysis, [b]no buy[b] is a pretty wise choice.

I also firmly believe in the practice, "if you can't test for it don't use it." There are a lot of snake oil products and grossly over priced products being sold to pot growers. Advanced Nutrients IMHO is pretty widely known for grossly taking advantage of pot growers when it comes to the pricing and unspectacular quality of its products. When ever AN's products analysis do appear online it is quite easy to see they are just average products. Regardless of manfacturing hype to the contrary there has been no miraculous new discoveries in nutrient formulations or supplements.

i run AN and i love it. u dont need everything they have listed, not at all. for one it would b way to expensive. i just use sensi a&b, big bud, and over drive and my plants look nice, happy, and dank

im the same as spoon A.B bud blood . then big bug and last 2 wks overdrive , start with that and toss in some hygrozyme and your set

yes you dont need all that crap-my nutes:

Micro-Bloom
Hygrozyme
Big bud
Sweet Leaf
Overdrive
and sometimes Gravity from Humbolt

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I totally get what you're saying and I admit I get frustrated by the fact that you don't always know what you're using on your plants.

But companies do have the right to keep secrets, I think. Drug companies do it all the time, right? And they do it with drugs that you actually take into your body. That's pretty scary stuff, if you ask me - not that I understand a lick of the chemistry of it all.

I wonder whether just testing things out for yourself is the best way to see if something works for you. I mean, that makes sense, right? You can just test certain products on some plants, other products on other plants, compare the results and see what you get.

It's always a good idea to question what companies say about their own products since companies do want to make money. That said, I also talk up some things I sell in order to make money, so really, I guess I can't really fault anyone else for doing it too. Well, I can, but it's a bit hypocritical of me.

Wow. That turned into a sorta rant. That's what I get for staying up all night.

Nice discussion here.

well Advanced is THE ONLY COMPANY that has a test lab for there products on marijuana... so think about that too, i think its worth the money.. but u really dont need everything

AN doesn't have squat but many marketers, some old out of work used up university researchers plying through theirs and others old research papers and putting those products on shelves as something new and wonderful. There really not much new exciting discoveries to build on, really.

AN might happens to have labs located where they can openly grow pot for testing, where US manfacturers simply rely on the even more complete tests already done by university researchers and still being done by university researchers. It is guranteed AN does not have the money tied into testing equipment equivalent/comparable to that used by universtities in the past or presently.

As for having the right to withhold the information...that is not true. No one in this country has that legal right except by use of tricks carried out by lawyers and marketers. There are laws called disclosure laws. Every one has the right to know what they are buying whether they can read the ingrediants or not. However what do you do if you write a law that states the complete analysis of a crop fertilzer must be on the fertilizer container and a company says it is not a food crop so it does not apply to them. Well if they can not sell a fertilizer used only to grow an illicit product and it is not used for a food crop then the feds have to change the laws to cover fertilizers used for non food crops (ornamentals ie flowers etc.). Some states have those more braoder reaching laws laws so some nutrient brands are just not sold in those states by companies like AN.

AN or any other nutrient manafacturers should follow the laws in this country or not sell their products here or be cg harged with violation of american laws. A company should hide behind another nt ational corporate incorporation to do reserach not allowed by U.S. mnafacturers and then openly sell these prodi ucts after admitting to this U.S. illegal research. It is really no differenrt than selling us baby toys painted with lead paint becase a country of origin does enforce enivirnmental or manafacturing laws required for U.S. sold products. AN spends a lot of monet skirting states and laws in regard to disclosure laws. The feds are constantly having to amend laws and regulation becsuse companies like AN curcumvent laws and regulations so as to make large products. Even drug companies can not secret their formulas. They are granted exclusionary rights that prevent their "new" discoveries that have received patents for a period of time. After a period of time nay commercial company can use the formula but ni ot the Registered trade name. It is the same with nutrient formulas or new foods etc. AN does what it does for one reason and one reason only and that is to make as much profit as possible for as long as they can get away with it. If the countries where the chief executives lived had more open extradition terms with the U.S. then the feds would probably extradite them as they did Marc Emery. Do I believe the war on drugs is proper? No. Do I believe the U.S. Federal government should decriminalize pot? Yes. Do I believe it was right to extradite Marc Emery? Yes. It is simply the mattter of if your going to do the crime when you get caught don't be surprised when you have to do the time. I did my ntime and if I am convicted by trial or agree to a plea bargain for a crime I do my time. I don't hide behind other countries differing laws and the abundance of unethical lawyers to protect be from what I do in the U.S.

If your going to base your illicit operations in another country don't expect another country to continue to ignore you when your products and monetray profits cross the national boundaries. The U.S. fights in other countries for lesser causes.

AN is obviously in it for the money and as such they charge grossly excessive amounts for their products not because they are NORML heros but to make big bucks. If they were NORML heros they would head a international non profit organization and sell their products at no profit.

Hell even Marc Emery did not profit by seed sells. That guy deserves the respect not the AN money grubbers. It is quite obvious Marc knew there was a huge chance he would end up in prison but he was an activist not a grossly over charging mnafacturer of pot growing nutrients. I think Canada extradicted the wrong person to the U.S.