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Bubbleponics is the art of delivering highly oxygenated nutrient solution DIRECTLY to the inner root zone. The days of merely misting the outer roots with nutrient spray are over. Gone too are the days of over/under watering, over/under feeding; the Stealth Hydro bubbleponic system automatically maintains the ideal oxygen level of the nutrient solution so as to facilitate a healthy thriving root system.
Bubbleponics (copyright and patent applied for) adds a new diminsion, or way of sending highly aerated water, nute enriched water too, right to that rockwool cube to make it grow like a rocket. It sort of "bubbles" out to the cube, and the spped of growth compared to DWC is amazing! Absolutely Amazing.

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SH Hydroponics > Dual Spectrum Bubbleponic 6 Planter Complete Kit

you can see the hub, it sits on top of a submersive pump, the pump pumps to the hub adn the hub devides it into six tubes, going to the cubes.
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So if you dont have the tubes running to the cubes is that still bubbleponics? If you just have two airstones and two airlines to the airstones...whats that setup called? Thats what I have....no submer. pump. Just a regular ole Tetra 30-60gal fishtank airpump.
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So if you dont have the tubes running to the cubes is that still bubbleponics? If you just have two airstones and two airlines to the airstones...whats that setup called? Thats what I have....no submer. pump. Just a regular ole Tetra 30-60gal fishtank airpump.
You have a Hydroponics DWC, or Deep Water Culture System

You can start seed in a Bubblponics System, look at the link I posted.
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Bubbleponics is the art of delivering highly oxygenated nutrient solution DIRECTLY to the inner root zone. The days of merely misting the outer roots with nutrient spray are over. Gone too are the days of over/under watering, over/under feeding; the Stealth Hydro bubbleponic system automatically maintains the ideal oxygen level of the nutrient solution so as to facilitate a healthy thriving root system.
aaaaaand from the Stealth Hydro web page...

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Bubbleponics is the art of delivering highly oxygenated nutrient solution DIRECTLY to the inner root zone. The days of merely misting the outer roots with nutrient spray are over. Gone too are the days of over/under watering, over/under feeding; the Stealth Hydro bubbleponic system automatically maintains the ideal oxygen level of the nutrient solution so as to facilitate a healthy thriving root system.
right... ok, now we know the sales pitch.

K, I've taken a look at the Stealth Hydro "Bubbleponics" system. It's not really a "bubbler" or "bubble bucket" as we know them on cannabis boards- which are more technically called DWC or Deep Water Culture.


(a typical DWC or bubbler system)

This differs from aeroponic systems only in that aero uses a lower water level.


(a water pump driven aero system;
could use an air pump driving airstones in
the nute solution to create the nutrient mist)

"Bubblers" aka DWC are similar to the Stealth Hydro "Bubbleponics" system in that both have a root misting chamber and plants in rockwool cubes nested in netpots of expanded clay. However, typical bubblers use an air stone submerged in the nutrient solution.

The SH "Bubbleponics" system is actually a modified drip system,


(traditional drip system)

except the feed tubes in the SH system enter the sides of the netpots instead of using drippers above the medium.

K, I see what they're doing now.

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Old 05-30-2007, 01:42 PM
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Sales pitches are designed to make prospective buyers think that there's something unique about the product being advertised, However, as we all know from sales pitches, reality isn't always quite as exciting as a pitch.

While the SH system certainly is a workable thing (Rosey sure gets fine results from it) I have to take a couple of small exceptions with some of the claims made in the SH sales pitch:

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umm... hate to tell these guys, but the distinction of "inner" vs "outer" rootzones isn't very useful. The taproots (and there are several on any healthy plant) connect to a web of fine roots which radiate from the taproots. Taproots, which are connected straight to the plant's stem and which occupy the "inner rootzone" are not as good at picking up nutrients as are the fine root hairs connected to them. In plumbing terms, you can think of taproots as 'water mains,' while the finer roots are the water lines going to individual houses from the mains.

I can't see any increased benefit to dripping the water from above the rootzone as opposed to running a tube right to the pellets. Once the roots start growing out of the netpots (in about 6-8 days after planting a clone in the netpots of pellets), the tubes are no longer in the "inner rootzone" anyway- as if there's much benefit to that, considering that the plant's actual water "pickup tubes" are the small roots on the "outer" rootzone.

I can't see any difference between the SH system and a traditionally organised drip system else than the SH system has drip tubes going into the netpots. The SH system would behave identically to a regular drip type.

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I'll buy in to the SH claim that one could not overwater with the SH system as the roots hang in space and always have plenty of oxygen. They simply can't be 'drowned'- but that's not unique to the SH system.

However, the claim of eliminating over/under feeding is simply false. If you mix the nutes too strong, you're going to get just as much nute burn with the SH system with as any other.
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I don't know about really needing the drip portion of it like others have said. I've noticed that if I don't fill the hydroton to the top, the air stones push the solution all the way to the leaves. The hydroton is always moist looking, so I'm assuming it's getting wet on a consistent basis. What would be the point of a drip if the solution is already getting to the the entire root mass? I just invested my money that I was going to spend on a pump into getting a really damn good air pump...now I have two of them.
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What would be the point of a drip if the solution is already getting to the the entire root mass?
None, really. Absent the water pump and drip tubing, aside from perhaps needing to handwater very young seedlings or clones for a few days as an insurance until you know their roots have grown down into the pellets, I can't see any need for the water pump if you have a lot of mist happening from air pumps and stones.

As an aside, if you're not already, use bubble curtains made from a plastic foam material (often with a stainless steel tube inside to stop them floating). They are far preferable to the common cemented sand type airstones. The sand types tend to disintegrate in acidic nutrient solutions in a month or two.

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I just invested my money that I was going to spend on a pump into getting a really damn good air pump...now I have two of them.
Smart move.

Time spent on research and a little DIY effort can save lotsa $$$. Good onya, mate.
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Way to go, Al. I wanted to say all of those things, too, but I didn't want to spend the time typing up all of it. That description of the bubbleponics unit sounds like it was written by the White House. Amazing propaganda, but certainly clever. The Advanced Nutrients Marketing Pros have taken notice, too.

Here's an FYI for you hydro wannabes:

DWC is a "passive" hydro system. One where the rez is below the roots and is aerated, and the roots grow into the rez.

Any other system that has the nutrient solution moving in some way by a water pump, is an "active" system, and will almost always outperform passive systems.

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Way to go, Al. I wanted to say all of those things, too, but I didn't want to spend the time typing up all of it. That description of the bubbleponics unit sounds like it was written by the White House. Amazing propaganda, but certainly clever. The Advanced Nutrients Marketing Pros have taken notice, too.

Here's an FYI for you hydro wannabes:

DWC is a "passive" hydro system. One where the rez is below the roots and is aerated, and the roots grow into the rez.

Any other system that has the nutrient solution moving in some way by a water pump, is an "active" system, and will almost always outperform passive systems.
I'm sure under the most of ideal conditions this is true. A perfect balance of flooding timing and amount, also how much the roots are exposed to air. I find it easier with a small grow the "passive" route cause there is no guesswork except for nutrient mix.

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Some questions about Bubblers, should the water pump be on a timer or should it constantly be pumping water to the roots? Also isn't it good for the roots to be out of water for a little while so the can get some air?
 

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