Nutrient Soup

Hey guys
About the H202 problem, can you tell me if h202 does the job of hydroguard and the root stuff (forgot its name) or does it just kill them and do another job?? I am currently using all three and wondered which were most important if one cancells another out. Fanx in advance
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gix
ps still cannae get my nick changed...i fink the guys in the office are tooo stoned to do it for me...

I use pure blend pro grow and bloom and its the shit!

What exactly does the peroxide do on its own ?

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Hey guys
About the H202 problem, can you tell me if h202 does the job of hydroguard and the root stuff (forgot its name) or does it just kill them and do another job?? I am currently using all three and wondered which were most important if one cancells another out. Fanx in advance
love
gix
ps still cannae get my nick changed...i fink the guys in the office are tooo stoned to do it for me...

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Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is just water with an extra oxygen atom. That extra oxygen will detach and attach to other stuff, and oxygenate it. If it's something that is alive and beneficial, it may die.

If you've (over)spent the money on hydroguard, you should skip the H2O2. I imagine the root stuff is beneficial bacteria, too, so it won't like the H2O2.

Also, H2O2 needs to be added to your res every 2-3 days, to be effective.

HTH

Hi potroast!
I have years of experience also and am curious to hear how your experience was with advanced nutrients. Ive used primarily gh flora series with the lucas formula and small amounts of bloom enhancers like koolbloom dry and liquid. excellent results. also ran pure blend pro veg and bloom with cal mag additive also lucas formula. great results also. many cycles of both. Im interested in sensi 2 part because of the high quality of ingredients and the blend being specifically for cannabis plants. I try not to change my reservoir in between cycles and believe I can dramatically cut the costs of advanced nutrients by doing this and using there seeding products like tarantula and voodoo once at the beginning of the cycle. these products will multiply millions of times in a couple days with proper aeration of the res and will continue to thrive if given the right climate. Im most wondering about ph flutuations and unbalanced nutrient buildup since I would use there sensi nutes with very little other an additives and little to no res changes? I feel it is the responsibility of every grower to use their water efficiently and dump little to no nutrients down the drain (once every two months mine go to the outdoor garden) for the earth and future generations. lol sorry for the long response just wanted to be clear. thanks for any response

I found AN nutrients to work all right, but certainly not near what they were hyping, and certainly not better than other lines, and they would have to be better to justify the much higher cost.

If you don't change your res during flowering, I don't think you could use AN products anyway, they recognize that the plant has vastly different requirements during the first 3 weeks of flowering versus the last 3 weeks.

HTH

I had to come add my thoughts on here too lol..I have used a few different types and keep coming back to my FoxFarm nutes.I like the 3 bottle mix of Grow Big,Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom.I have expiremented with additves also.I always add my grotek super H202 every 4 days to the res at roughly 1 tsp per gallon.I also like to add either bonticares Sweet berry scent or sugar daddy as more carb booster. I also like to add beastie bloomz in flower to get bigger buds and more flower sites with extra resin production and the last 4 weeks I add gravity from Humboldt countys line every 2 weeks to harden the buds to rock hard. I also have run a grow or 2 using the basics of Dutch Master nutes grow A&B and bloom A&B. I didnt add the suggested silica as it wasnt in stock when I grabbed the nutes so I added a bit of Tiger Bloom to make the differenece up then added my suagr daddy,H202,beastie Bloomz and Gravity to the mix for flower.Both had good resluts but the Fox Farm was more ph stable and give a much greater crystal coverage. The plants love the addition of the H202 and it helps promote rapid growth and larger root masses while stopping the formation of alage or bacteria in the res.I also like to use nitrozyme hormone spray right before lights out or in veg added to the res to help reduce stress promote strong stalks and more yield.I switch off on how I flush I sometimes just run plain water through in a hydro.aerosetup for 3-5 days or I might add some hydrozyme for a flush. In soil i use Miracle Grow Moisture control soil with no nutes just ph 6.8 tap water and then 2 weeks into flower I add indonesion bat guano to make a tea for watering once a week and I like to use molasses at 2 tablespoons per gallon with a dose of gravity in the last 4 weeks then I flsuh heavy water with hydrozyme..Im wanting to try canna products and BigFoot nutes yet.

thanks for the reply potroast. I would use the AN flower additives like budblood big bud and overdrive by adding them to the res once at the apropriate times and always topping off with sensi bloom up to desired ppm. this way the plant uses most of the additive nutes up and as it runs out the base nutes take their place. Thats how i use my GH flower additives like koolbloom liquid and dry with the lucas formula for base and all reservoir topoffs.

Well, if you use Budblood, you want it in your res for only a week at most. So you will have to change out your res completely to stop feeding it, and the same with other nutes.

HTH

General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.



*Repost, not my words or claims. - SAR

Guys
I am sorry to ask what is probably a stupid but very important question. Are you guys saying that you never empty your nute tank during a cycle??? Geewhizz guys, i empty mine every week and use loads of nutrients (Canna aqua) and additives everytime i empty it!!! Can anyone explain in simple terms about the lucas formula coz i just cant get it into my head. I would REALLY appreciate any help with these two questions.
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gix

Puffin
Im really impressed! You NEVER change your res! Where is your grow schedule... i would love to see what you do and how to do it. Doesnt your water go all smelly or anything after all that time?? Fuck, im too stoned to wonder how you do that...BUT, I will be back to find out.... (gix shuffles away stoned as fck muttering "never changes a res in 19 months", shakes her head and ..... SPARKS ANOTHER ONE. Catch you soon puff.
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gix

yes, that is correct, and I have only used $30 of nutes. I used to change the res every 5-7 days, figgered out I was wasting HUGE AMOUNTS of nutes (and $$$$). this is the 1st time I tried it, and next grow I will change them again to see it there is any diffference.

Come over to marijuanapassion.com and take a look at my Grow Journal entitled [SnowWhite Generation 5].

I can guarantee the look is worth the trip. SnowWhite is an amazing plant!!!

hey potroast, what do you think about the lucas formula?

or anyone know if its really the better way to go if your using GH nutes?

i have just been following the directions on the bottle, is this a mistake?

G M F
3-2-1 Veg

2-2-2 Transition period

1-2-3 Flowering

Puff how do you keep your paperwork on your grows ppm and uptakes? I dont know how long the plants in the pics have been flowering but the buds are small they dont look like your maximizing your nutes and keeping any chart of what they are doing week to week.How do you add a fresh round of nutes as if you top off as you should then just add new nutes on top your whole schedule and readings are all fucked up and you wont be able to push the plants to maximum output so you loose yield, strength, and potency.Just trying to follow.You said seedlings but then say just 1 plant is what you regenerate and grow.Is that 30 oz from 1 plant in all 4 grows or more plants from each grow is 30 oz? Where is your nitrogen if you dont use the veg nujtes as thats thier only source of nitrogen which you have to have to early on or to reveg fully as bloom nutes only have potassium and phos maybe a few micronutes?? I found it best every 2 weeks max to change my 55 gallon res or if you dont and try to cheat the system and just top off and add a new mixture it really makes you loose out the potential.I cahnge the res about 5 times total in my typical 32 plant aero grows and yield about 128-160 wet oz per harvest about every 5-6 weeks and found fresh heavy nutes with a good starting 1550 ppm in early flower maxes crystals and weight

Yeah, I do the same. I change my res every 1-2 weeks. After topping off with plain water, and the plants using what they have, the entire balance of the nutes is off. Even though your meter says the ppms are high enough, just what are those ppms? Mostly what's left that your plant hasn't used, and plant wastes. Nutes aren't that expensive, and problems are.
Besides, like I said, I use a different mix for each third of flowering.

pandabear said:

hey potroast, what do you think about the lucas formula?

or anyone know if its really the better way to go if your using GH nutes?

i have just been following the directions on the bottle, is this a mistake?

G M F
3-2-1 Veg

2-2-2 Transition period

1-2-3 Flowering

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Hey pb, I tried growing with it 10 years ago, and found that plants yellowed too early mid-way through flowering, so I always used the Grow, too. I think that cannabis likes the ammonium-nitrogen that is mainly in the Grow component. I was a regular in the group that developed that formula, and I tested it with the others in the group.

I grew many crops using 5ml/gal of each all the way through. At the time, there were many growers who always used 2-3ml/gal of each. I came to realize that the 3-1 ratio is important for the Grow and Bloom parts. I never used a mix as strong as the bottle, they say that those units in their formula are teaspoons (5ml) so I would keep that formula, but make the units about half, or 3ml.

So your ml/gal would be 9ml Grow 6ml Micro 3ml Bloom for veg. and 3ml Grow 6ml Micro 9ml Bloom for flowering.

Some Floralicious Plus will aid the secondary metabolic processes that we like.

HTH

FilthyFletch said:

Puff how do you keep your paperwork on your grows ppm and uptakes? I dont know how long the plants in the pics have been flowering but the buds are small they dont look like your maximizing your nutes and keeping any chart of what they are doing week to week.How do you add a fresh round of nutes as if you top off as you should then just add new nutes on top your whole schedule and readings are all fucked up and you wont be able to push the plants to maximum output so you loose yield, strength, and potency.Just trying to follow.You said seedlings but then say just 1 plant is what you regenerate and grow.Is that 30 oz from 1 plant in all 4 grows or more plants from each grow is 30 oz? Where is your nitrogen if you dont use the veg nujtes as thats thier only source of nitrogen which you have to have to early on or to reveg fully as bloom nutes only have potassium and phos maybe a few micronutes?? I found it best every 2 weeks max to change my 55 gallon res or if you dont and try to cheat the system and just top off and add a new mixture it really makes you loose out the potential.I cahnge the res about 5 times total in my typical 32 plant aero grows and yield about 128-160 wet oz per harvest about every 5-6 weeks and found fresh heavy nutes with a good starting 1550 ppm in early flower maxes crystals and weight

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I use a meter to check the res daily, ph and tds are maintained, as needed. I never change, just add distilled water or nutes to maintain 800ppm. I got 10-11 ounces dry last harvest in January. This is just 1 plant, under one 400w hps bulb. next harvest is in a couple weeks. after this harvest, I am gonna change out the res, and see if any appreciable difference occurs.

this little experiment was due to my feeling that I was wasting most of the nutes by changing them out as suggested by GH. in 4 harvests I got 30++ ounces from this grow so far, only spent $30 on nutes in 19 months.

I have noticed more and more with each regeneration, the fan leaves start to yellow toward last weeks of harvest. I think this is unacceptable and will be trying to adjust the nutes to keep all the fans green until harvest. Perhaps by changing the res more often and perhaps with using some of the grow component??

You are very very wrong about the nitrogen, try reading the labels on the bottles, eh. That said however, I do plan on trying to keep all the fan leaves from yellowing in the next grow, just to see if there is any difference in yield. It appears to me, the micro and bloom formulas have plenty of nitrogen.

Perhaps my SnowWhite is a Super Plant, I think folks just like to sell nutes. I have gone to the extreme with this grow, and will move to a more moderate nute schedule to compare results. BTW, I used to follow that chart to the letter, changing out every week, spending as much as $150 per grow on nutes, as opposed to the $6 each for 5 grows now.

the yield seems acceptable, so far, just under 1 gram per watt. I will do a little better this time, since I revegged for 21 days, hoping for 14 ounces dry.


Thanks for the reply FF!!!

potroast said:

Yeah, I do the same. I change my res every 1-2 weeks. After topping off with plain water, and the plants using what they have, the entire balance of the nutes is off. Even though your meter says the ppms are high enough, just what are those ppms? Mostly what's left that your plant hasn't used, and plant wastes. Nutes aren't that expensive, and problems are.
Besides, like I said, I use a different mix for each third of flowering.





Hey pb, I tried growing with it 10 years ago, and found that plants yellowed too early mid-way through flowering, so I always used the Grow, too. I think that cannabis likes the ammonium-nitrogen that is mainly in the Grow component. I was a regular in the group that developed that formula, and I tested it with the others in the group.

I grew many crops using 5ml/gal of each all the way through. At the time, there were many growers who always used 2-3ml/gal of each. I came to realize that the 3-1 ratio is important for the Grow and Bloom parts. I never used a mix as strong as the bottle, they say that those units in their formula are teaspoons (5ml) so I would keep that formula, but make the units about half, or 3ml.

So your ml/gal would be 9ml Grow 6ml Micro 3ml Bloom for veg. and 3ml Grow 6ml Micro 9ml Bloom for flowering.

Some Floralicious Plus will aid the secondary metabolic processes that we like.

HTH

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thanks for the input, i was shocked to see the lucas formula to be so different than the GH recommended mix.

yea i usually do half strength and add more as needed. I usually keep them nuted as much as they can take, once i see the slightest of the leave tips getting a bit crispy from nute burn i let up just before it causes any registerable damage.

about this floralicious, u use that during all of flowering? or when is it used and how much?



on another note, my last grow was so great i had colas that were
12" x 6" x 6" no lie i got pics but the plants were like 5ft tall. this is greenhouse ww

so this grow i figured i need to make the plants shorter cuz the above mentioned crop was very fluffy even tho i yeilded 2lbs using 1000watts

so this time my plants are like 3ft instead and the crop doesnt look like it will be as much as the last.

so heres the question, I thought i would get heavyer/denser buds by making the plants shorter like 3ft thereby having equal yeild as my last very tall batch

but it seems my huge 5footers were better yeilders even tho the bud was fluffy.

what is the best sizes to grow your plants to max out your yield?

i have a 600watt and a 400 watt i thought the 5ft light penatration would be detrimetal but seems to have worked pretty well

what do you guys think?

also is 1 gram per watt even a good number or should i be getting more outa my OP?

my last grow grossed about 1 gram per watt dry but this one doesnt even look like it will make it this far but im still yet to chop for another few days

pandabear said:

thanks for the input,

about this floralicious, u use that during all of flowering? or when is it used and how much?


what is the best sizes to grow your plants to max out your yield?

also is 1 gram per watt even a good number or should i be getting more outa my OP?

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Hey pb,
I use Floralicious Plus from rooted cuttings throughout flowering.

Of course a 5 footer is going to yield more, but a 3 footer may grow "more better bud." With a 600w, the 3 foot plants will fill out into denser buds, versus the 5 foot plants that have stretched, fluffy buds, but more of them.

1 gram/watt is outstanding, as you improve the quality of bud you may not yield as much, but it will make you a bigger hit at parties.

HTH