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Old 10-11-2008, 03:08 PM
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Just thought I would condense your feeding schedules, I found it difficult bouncing back and forth across multiple pages.

Can I ask your reason for going with Botanicare Nutes Better yields, Lower costs, no reason at all?
Have you tried using other brands? Canna, Dutchmaster, FoxFarm or any others?

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I run this nutrient formula for vegetative growth:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

I start at 1500 PPM and bring it up to 2000 PPM by the second week of veg. I change the nutrients every 3 weeks with each new crop.

I adjust my PH to 5.8
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Here is my formula for my flower room:

Botanicare Nutrients:
126ml Cal-Mag Plus
150ml Sweet
180ml Liquid Karma
540mlL Pure Bend Pro Bloom

I run 2000 PPM all the way until the flush cycle. Some strains like AK47 can handle over 3000 PPM without burning. Other strains show signs of tip burn at just 1700 PPM. Since I run 10 different strains I set my PPM for a good overall value.
I built an Aerocloner for my cuttings yesterday. Have not misted them once and they look just as yummy, like they were still attached to the mother plant. Thank you very much!!!

From looking at your pics, it looks like you are using one 4x4x6 fence post cut in half. Each half being 36" long and your spacing for plants is about 3" apart. Am I correct?
Could you provide some detailed specs on your pvc rack. Going to estimate for now 30-32 L X 15 W x ?? Height would depend on growing enviornment.

Could you suggest a cheap PPM or EC Meter.
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:42 PM
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I too have built my cloner,, its all together and works great.
I still need to pick some clones up. i still need a timer for the pump,, one that can be set to go on for one minute and off for 5. havent found one that isnt expensive. any ideas? also like skinflute said where can i get a ppm meter that doesnt cost a fortune?

also when adding the nutes to the reservoir,
Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

do you add each part listed above per gallon in the res? so if you use say 5 gallons then you use 5x each of the nutes? or do you just fill up the res and add what you said "126ML Cal-Mag Plus etc" ??

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Hey Stink-nice thread, lot of work you put in here. I do a 60 day perpetual-19-21 days between harvests-like you it gives me flexibility as I have 6 strains in my "quiver"

Dirthawker and skinflute,

No disrespect but the Stink has shown you the way, listed the specific products but comparison shopping is why we have google. You may have to do some shopping in person to find the best competitive pricing on products locally but the tools of hydro.....a Ph pen, TDS meter and CAP-ART Timers (stands for Custom Automated Products-Adjustable Recycling Timer are all going to run $100-$125USD ea. maybe a few dollars more.

I don't know what you consider a fortune nor do I know where you are in the world but a LB of NYC Diesel in the SE-USA is 4800-5600USD.
At retail the $400 on those three items seems well worth it if you can produce 15-18k in bud every 2 months-i dunno i was in business for myself all my life and that is what i would consider a better than average return-on-investment.

Sufficed to say there are some things you can't get at Home Depot and there is serious investment to truly duplicate what Stinkbud is doing. i.e. the 1500-2000 he has in a Co2 system and that nice-ass greenhouse controller. (+rep on those stink, those are the last items on my list to complete my "5kw of Heaven" well my flower room anyway-individual temp/DNE's, CAP-ARTs, etc, etc. I should have gotten a main controller from the word go)
Make sure you have budgeted for the tools to control the science otherwise its not worth purchasing a pump. Sry to chime in like this but I just had to get that off my chest.........remember how much time he already put in this post for you.
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:27 PM
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Default Question about height of supports
Hey Stink - great thread by the way - very informative and useful. I bought the supplies and started to construct the system and when I was done I got to thinking....

I'm going to be using a 1000w HPS lamp but I built my top support at about 30 inches and my lower support at about 18 inches. I have a feeling that my lamp will be too far away when I first put my plants in the system. I was planning on putting them in at about 12 inches tall. Will I run into a problem with strecthing at all since the light is going to be about 20 - 24 inches away? I'm not worried about heat because I'll be using a lens with a squirrel cage fan to control heat.

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omg! please mail me some weed lol
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Hey OLDINTHEWAY,, you forgot to mention all the private emails stinkbud and i have been exchanging, so far in my experience stink has been the most helpfull of all the thousands of people on this forum.....thanks STINK!!!

Also,, I grow meds for myself,, and if i can grow some quality meds for the people in my club then its just a bonus.

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Old 10-11-2008, 07:57 PM
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Can I ask your reason for going with Botanicare Nutes Better yields, Lower costs, no reason at all?
Botanicare rules, plain and simple. 100% organic so the taste of your bud is as good as any organic old school hippie weed.

I learned the formula from my mentor and added Sweet for more aroma and flavor.

It's not cheap but worth every penny.

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Have you tried using other brands? Canna, Dutchmaster, FoxFarm or any others?
Yes, They are all good. I especially like FoxFarm.

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I built an Aerocloner for my cuttings yesterday. Have not misted them once and they look just as yummy, like they were still attached to the mother plant. Thank you very much!!!
It's amazing isn't it? You would think they would wilt or something but they they act like they have never even be cut.

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From looking at your pics, it looks like you are using one 4x4x6 fence post cut in half. Each half being 36" long and your spacing for plants is about 3" apart. Am I correct?
Yes your are correct but it's a 4 ft. fence post. I usually just cut down a 6 ft. fence post.

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Could you provide some detailed specs on your pvc rack. Going to estimate for now 30-32 L X 15 W x ?? Height would depend on growing enviornment.
Specs are close. Height depends on the res. Check back for a tutorial on building my systems. I'm just too busy right now to finish them.

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Could you suggest a cheap PPM or EC Meter.
I always recommend buying from your local Hydro store if you have one. If not do a search on Fleabay or Google. I'm sure something will come up.

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Old 10-11-2008, 08:09 PM
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I too have built my cloner,, its all together and works great.
I still need to pick some clones up. i still need a timer for the pump,, one that can be set to go on for one minute and off for 5. havent found one that isnt expensive. any ideas? also like skinflute said where can i get a ppm meter that doesnt cost a fortune?
Unfortunately I have yet to find a cheap timer that goes down to 1 minute on. You have to pay a little under a hundred bucks.

I even tried to design one using IC chips and relays. I got it to work but it cost more to make than I can buy one for.

The good new is it's a one time expense. I also use the same timer for 5 different reservoirs. So the cost per system is only $20.

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also when adding the nutes to the reservoir,
Botanicare Nutrients:
126ML Cal-Mag Plus
180ML Liquid Karma
540ML Pure Bend Pro Vegetative Formula

do you add each part listed above per gallon in the res? so if you use say 5 gallons then you use 5x each of the nutes? or do you just fill up the res and add what you said "126ML Cal-Mag Plus etc" ??
Mix all the nutes in a 1 gallon milk container. Add some water and shake well. Now fill your res with water.

Add about half of the gallon mix (on a 18 gal res) and check your PPM. Keep adding and checking until you hit about 2000 PPM. That's a good safe number. Some strains can handle a lot more nutes. My Snowbud can handle over 3000 PPM but my Blueberry shows tip burn at 1700 PPM.

It's easy to add more but hard to take out!

After you have your PPM set check your PH. Most likely you will have to add PH down the first time.

I top off the water everyday and check the PPM and PH every couple of days. As soon as it drops to let's say 1800 PPM I'll add more of the formula.

Good luck Bro!

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Hey Stink - great thread by the way - very informative and useful. I bought the supplies and started to construct the system and when I was done I got to thinking....

I'm going to be using a 1000w HPS lamp but I built my top support at about 30 inches and my lower support at about 18 inches. I have a feeling that my lamp will be too far away when I first put my plants in the system. I was planning on putting them in at about 12 inches tall. Will I run into a problem with strecthing at all since the light is going to be about 20 - 24 inches away? I'm not worried about heat because I'll be using a lens with a squirrel cage fan to control heat.

Thanks -
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You're going to freak at how fast your plants will grow. It's like nothing you can imagine!

In just a few weeks your buds will be right up to the lights.

My lights are adjusted for my large plants so my new plants are pretty far away from the light when they first go in to the flower room.

Every time I harvest I move the new (center) plants to the outside and put the new batch directly under the lights. That way they get the most amount of light and they are not shaded by the big plants.

I take my system out and clean it every harvest anyway. The whole system weighs like 4 lbs!

Good luck bro!
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:41 PM
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so far in my experience stink has been the most helpfull of all the thousands of people on this forum.....thanks STINK!!!
I second that !

Well i have posted my how to for my dead simple small DWC cloner system, aeroponic veg system next !
DaveTheNewbie DWC cloner fast+simple

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