Developing Psychosis...?

how does one develop psychosis from a psychoactive substance.?
especially LSD?

I once felt like I was becoming insane while tripping nuts.

I also felt like one time..everything made sense and I was at one with the universe.
I felt "insane" but at the same time I was pissed because there was no reason to be labeled "insane" for being unsane.
i knew what the truth was .
the only reason i felt "insane" is because the outside world made me believe I was. when I knew/know I wasn't/am not.

why do people label others, learning the truth "insane"??

If you are thinking about it ... perhaps you are developing it ...
As it is an anxiety in form.
That has to do with release of chemicals (or imbalance) Hence Physiological.
And psychological stress in such condition .... manifests itself as this psychosis.

This cycle might be induced by many things ...
Sane and Insane are nothing more than concepts in terms of scales.
Lots of wiggle room in the middle ... thus ... we are all crazy.

Mom had me in counseling because my father was a paranoid schizophrenic, and was afraid I was getting it too. Come to find out I am more messed up because of the counseling than P.S..
The counselor informed me that as long as you are thinking about becoming "un-sane" then you are far FAR from it. "Un-sane" people have a chemical imbalance in their brain, and have no idea that they are going crazy. Other than testimonial of friends, or family.

As far as acid goes. I have been around a few "fry heads". They seem normal even after years of LSD use. Then there's the few that are still frying off their first hit back 3 years ago, and wish they hadn't taken it.

I suppose it is all up to how your head is "wired".

Originally Posted by Puffer Fish

If you are thinking about it ... perhaps you are developing it ...
As it is an anxiety in form.
That has to do with release of chemicals (or imbalance) Hence Physiological.
And psychological stress in such condition .... manifests itself as this psychosis.

This cycle might be induced by many things ...
Sane and Insane are nothing more than concepts in terms of scales.
Lots of wiggle room in the middle ... thus ... we are all crazy.

So very true. If you begin to believe you are insane than you will become it. A good example imo is Anneliese Michel (The girl "The Last Exorcism" was based off of) . Her parents and the church told her she was "possessed" by a demon and so that did nothing but further her schizophrenic behavior and in turn led to her quick tragic death. Another analogy in that relating to psychedelic induced "insanity" is that she had grown up in a small town and was brought up in a strict Christian family with "strong moral values". So when she had gone off to college (when her first signs of "possession" began) she was thrown into a new strange environment (like psychedelics do) where most people disregard the "proper moral values" and beliefs ( psychedelics create new and different forms of thought processes) of the Christian faith which she had been brought up on her entire child life.

I have never felt that I was going insane on psychedelics. I have had irrational thoughts, and I felt mentally handicapped, but never in my entire life have I questioned my sanity. In the recent months, I have gotten my shit together , so to speak, and I feel that psychedelic drugs can help give me more control over my mind. My most recent acid trip has inspired me to try and learn how to meditate.

Based on my understanding of meditation, it sounds a lot like a trip in some ways. You block out the external world and focus on within. I was told that if one meditates properly, one will most likely experience overwhelming emotions. This sounds very similar to a trip in the mental aspect.

This is a concept that is hard to determine whether you are sane or insane.
I do believe that the person that we determine to be insane, does not himself believe to be insane.

As stated the feeling of wondering about it is the first step toward insanity.
But at this point you can make a cognitive change to pull oneself back to reality.
Simply by defeating the thought process with telling yourself you are not insane.
At first it may not feel correct, but over time you will come to believe it.
The same way by allowing the thought process of insanity will lead you to insanity.

Now about pshyc drugs.
These just open your mind to further thought process and can be potentially harmful if not in the correct pshyci or train of thought.
I myself have been training my mind for a journey into this area.
Sadly many do not take time to train, and can become lost.
I hope this is not the case.
But you may be at a crossroads the way it sounds
Good Luck and fight back with your mind.

The closest I ever got to becoming insane, was after taking DMT twice. I got a lot of great ideas from this but looked at them with completely wrong eyes. I thought I was completely nuts and the damage had been done and my eye was open. I could understand people tagged as insane very well. I will try explain better:

Ideas from psychedelics;

"There is no point to anything we do. I`m not even sure if anything happening at all"... Now I was in a depressed state of mind when this occured to me and the people closest to me convinced me not to kill myself (I didn`t even feel excited or scared about dying, I still don`t). Possibly the period in my life where the most stress, anger and confusion was present. It never occured to me that I could look at this idea in very pozitive and different ways!!

One being if so, then when I lose its no big deal so I will never get that upset..! Another being everything is pointless so I feel free to choose..! One other, the world is so abstractly cool, look around yourself, white light hitting a glass and diffracting into multicolours, plants growing as fractals, the sun shining... why does all this abstract reality need to be upsetting in any, ANY way?!?!

I think an insane person is not aware of their condition. Look around for examples; football fans, some religious people, people into fashion and style etc etc... You think YOUR thoughts are irrational? How irrational is it to make a handbag out of diamonds while 3rd world countries starve!! Ever watch the film Blood Diamond for the icing on top?

I don`t think there is insanity, there is rather narrow mindness over certain ideas causing one to forget the main plot. The plot should always be peace love and happines

Originally Posted by Swag

So very true. If you begin to believe you are insane than you will become it. A good example imo is Anneliese Michel (The girl "The Last Exorcism" was based off of) . Her parents and the church told her she was "possessed" by a demon and so that did nothing but further her schizophrenic behavior and in turn led to her quick tragic death. Another analogy in that relating to psychedelic induced "insanity" is that she had grown up in a small town and was brought up in a strict Christian family with "strong moral values". So when she had gone off to college (when her first signs of "possession" began) she was thrown into a new strange environment (like psychedelics do) where most people disregard the "proper moral values" and beliefs ( psychedelics create new and different forms of thought processes) of the Christian faith which she had been brought up on her entire child life.

hmmm....
My parents are both Christian. they both have and raised me with "strong moral values".
and I first started using hallucinogens in high school. that is where all my bad trips were held. where I DID disregard the proper moral values AND beliefs.
due to me abusing psychoactive substances as a hallucinogen (THEN) only because I was curious....
this led my morals and beliefs to crash.
i stopped using psychedelics for 3-4 years.

but just recently (7 months ago) after smoking DMT due to curiosity...
this opened the door to truth!
i started tripping again.

and now after a very vivid, beautiful, AND life changing LSD trip about a month ago....
all my morals and values that I was raised with came to life and I finally believe.
I truly believe 100% now.

its funny how my curiosity in "hallucinogens" led me to what IS true.
its funny and crazy that this is my story.
its amazing that my life has been changed.
its crazy that it was changed for the BETTER through LSD.

I no longer use hallucinogens
however...
I do use psychoactive substances as medicine for spiritual and religious healing
this term is known as
ENTHEOGEN

but DO NOT GET ME WRONG.....
the visuals on any entheogen are absolutely beautiful.

Man ... if only you guys would have study this book a bit ....

We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies - all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes. Most island universes are sufficiently like one another to Permit of inferential understanding or even of mutual empathy or "feeling into." Thus, remembering our own bereavements and humiliations, we can condole with others in analogous circumstances, can put ourselves (always, of course, in a slightly Pickwickian sense) in their places. But in certain cases communication between universes is incomplete or even nonexistent. The mind is its own place, and the Places inhabited by the insane and the exceptionally gifted are so different from the places where ordinary men and women live, that there is little or no common ground of memory to serve as a basis for understanding or fellow feeling. Words are uttered, but fail to enlighten. The things and events to which the symbols refer belong to mutually exclusive realms of experience.
To see ourselves as others see us is a most salutary gift. Hardly less important is the capacity to see others as they see themselves. But what if these others belong to a different species and inhabit a radically alien universe? For example, how can the sane get to know what it actually feels like to be mad? Or, short of being born again as a visionary, a medium, or a musical genius, how can we ever visit the worlds which, to Blake, to Swedenborg, to Johann Sebastian Bach, were home? And how can a man at the extreme limits of ectomorphy and cerebrotonia ever put himself in the place of one at the limits of endomorphy and viscerotonia, or, except within certain circumscribed areas, share the feelings of one who stands at the limits of mesomorphy and somatotonia? To the unmitigated behaviorist such questions, I suppose, are meaningless. But for those who theoretically believe what in practice they know to be true - namely, that there is an inside to experience as well as an outside - the problems posed are real problems, all the more grave for being, some completely insoluble, some soluble only in exceptional circumstances and by methods not available to everyone. Thus, it seems virtually certain that I shall never know what it feels like to be Sir John Falstaff or Joe Louis. On the other hand, it had always seemed to me possible that, through hypnosis, for example, or autohypnosis, by means of systematic meditation, or else by taking the appropriate drug, I might so change my ordinary mode of consciousness as to be able to know, from the inside, what the visionary, the medium, even the mystic were talking about.

You use many assumptions in your perceptions of what sanity/insanity is.

Originally Posted by NP88

I have never felt that I was going insane on psychedelics. I have had irrational thoughts, and I felt mentally handicapped, but never in my entire life have I questioned my sanity. In the recent months, I have gotten my shit together , so to speak, and I feel that psychedelic drugs can help give me more control over my mind. My most recent acid trip has inspired me to try and learn how to meditate.

Based on my understanding of meditation, it sounds a lot like a trip in some ways. You block out the external world and focus on within. I was told that if one meditates properly, one will most likely experience overwhelming emotions. This sounds very similar to a trip in the mental aspect.

sounds like YOU and I are BOTH on the same path