Molly---MDMA-----A Different experience

**WOWgrow** · 06-30-2010, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by shepj

You did not take 250mg's of a 2c-x... you'd be dead. You realize that 25mg's of 2c-b is considered a strong dose? Also, what makes you think that out of all the 2c-x's, you got one of the hardest ones to obtain? Personally, you probably got mephedrone or methylone with some MDMA. Use a marquis reagent test kit and you won't have this issue.

Just gonna chime in quickly, doesn't sound anything like Mephedrone or Methylone, neither of them have hallucinogenic qualities.

Can I ask, what is 2C-X ?

**robdogg** · 06-30-2010, 02:51 PM

any of the 2c's such as 2c-i, 2c-b, 2c-e, etc.

**HeatlessBBQ** · 08-17-2010, 01:59 PM

so after a few months going by....
the molly that was first discussed in the first post WAS IN FACT cut with 2cb and sass.
if your living in denver and littleton area. bad shit is going around but there is also clean.
TEST YO SHIT

**robdogg** · 08-17-2010, 09:03 PM

gnarly, how did u find this out? and what is the sass?

**shepj** · 08-18-2010, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by robdogg

and what is the sass?

It is one of the most stupid terms known to man.. the reason being, depending on your location the substance at hand is different.

For example:

Sass (where I live) = MDA
Sass (where many of my friends live) = MDMA

Some MDMA is brown, and unless you have a set of test kits, they will not differentiate between MDA and MDMA (or MDEA for that matter).

**Jakenbake** · 08-18-2010, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by shepj

It is one of the most stupid terms known to man.. the reason being, depending on your location the substance at hand is different.

For example:

Sass (where I live) = MDA
Sass (where many of my friends live) = MDMA

Some MDMA is brown, and unless you have a set of test kits, they will not differentiate between MDA and MDMA (or MDEA for that matter).

Just a couple edits..

Sass refers to Sassafras, a type of foliage tree which contains Safrole and when ingested can cause feelings of euphoria and hallucinations in higher doses.

Pure MDMA should be a snowflakey white, with a possible yellow-tint. Anything else is most likely MDA or MDP2P. Especially if it's brown.

**robdogg** · 08-18-2010, 11:26 PM

i hear that color is a result of what the chemist is washing with. ive heard of molly being rosy-pink. but ive seen it white and yellow, sometimes fine, other times chunky---no doubt the best trip was when i combined the two

**shepj** · 08-21-2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jakenbake

Just a couple edits..

Sass refers to Sassafras, a type of foliage tree which contains Safrole and when ingested can cause feelings of euphoria and hallucinations in higher doses.

Pure MDMA should be a snowflakey white, with a possible yellow-tint. Anything else is most likely MDA or MDP2P. Especially if it's brown.

^ These types of people are the ones you NEVER listen to.

Sass does not refer to sassafras..

Laboratory animals that were given oral doses of sassafras tea or sassafras oil that contained large doses of safrole developed permanent liver damage or various types of cancer.

Not to mention, the amount of Sassafras it would take to ingest an amount of Safrole to produce any effect would:

1) Make you sick
2) Not be possible. Safrole is not a psychoactive substance.

Now.. Safrole is a carcinogenic oily liquid that is a precursor to MDMA (in the synthesis Safrole is actually used to produce MDP2P - 3,4-(Methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propanone - which is then used to synthesize MDMA).

Pure MDMA is white, but minute impurities can cause other colors to be present. For example, the presense of extremely small amounts of MDP2P in MDMA may cause the color to be anywhere from off-white to dark brown. As a matter of fact, here is a picture of some very high quality brown MDMA:

wanna see some good molly?

Just a couple of edits... and please shut the fuck up Jakenbake.

**Jakenbake** · 08-21-2010, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by shepj

^ These types of people are the ones you NEVER listen to.

Sass does not refer to sassafras..

Not to mention, the amount of Sassafras it would take to ingest an amount of Safrole to produce any effect would:

1) Make you sick
2) Not be possible. Safrole is not a psychoactive substance.

Now.. Safrole is a carcinogenic oily liquid that is a precursor to MDMA (in the synthesis Safrole is actually used to produce MDP2P - 3,4-(Methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propanone - which is then used to synthesize MDMA).

Pure MDMA is white, but minute impurities can cause other colors to be present. For example, the presense of extremely small amounts of MDP2P in MDMA may cause the color to be anywhere from off-white to dark brown. As a matter of fact, here is a picture of some very high quality brown MDMA:

wanna see some good molly?

Just a couple of edits... and please shut the fuck up Jakenbake.

So basically the only thing you disagree with is what 'Sass' refers to, and whether or not it has psychoactive properties. Everything else you said just reiterates what I already said, like if it's brown it most likely contains MDP2P, and PURE MDMA is white, asshat.
And since we're posting random, un-cited quotes to prove out points, here's one for ya.

"The North-American foliage tree Sassafras albidum is a rich source of safrole. Sassafras' effects vary from euphoria in low doses to hallucinogenic effects in higher doses. Safrole is also present in Illicium parviflorum, Acorus calamus and nutmeg. Effects Euphoria, erotic sensations, heavy stimulation and changes in visual- and auditory perception. Autonomic changes: dilated pupils, nausea, increased cardio-output, rise of bloodpressure."

Hmm.. Sounds a lot like rolling, no? Funny too, cause I've taken Sassafras and yes, it did make me quite sick to my stomach for a couple hours (nothing worse than eating a bunch of mushrooms), but it also took me for quite the ride. Not one I'd repeat, but one I don't regret taking. Now we're just talking semantics, and frankly, I care not. You call one thing Sass, we call something else Sass. Smoke a J, man, and relax.

**shepj** · 08-21-2010, 02:36 PM

The reason I disagree with what Sass refers to is:

1) It is a stupid slang, as users confuse MDA with MDMA, which would cause a variance in dosages and effects (which could produce some pretty unwanted or dangerous effects)
2) It does not refer to a plant nor the essential oil that is derived from it (this is simply something an uneducated drug dealer would say)

If you would have sent in a sample of "Sass" to be gc/ms analyzed (and seeing as how you believe "sass" is sassafras, I can see you have not done so) you would see it is either MDMA or MDA.

Safrole FAQ (provided via Erowid):

Toxicity

LD50 in rats is 2.35g/kg. It is mainly metabolised by the cytochromes P450. Neither sassafras nor the oil should be taken internally. The use of herb teas of sassafras may lead to a large dose of safrole. The use of safrole in foods has been banned because of carcinogenic and hepatotoxic risks. The use of safrole in toilet preparations is also controlled. A 47 year old woman experienced 'shakiness', vomiting, anxiety, tachycardia and raised blood pressure following ingestion of a potentially fatal dose of sassafras oil (5mL). Treatment was symptomatic following the use of activated charcoal.

"Grande GA, Dannewitz SR, Symptomatic Sassafras Oil Ingestion, Vet. Hum. Toxicol 1987 29 447"

Recognized Carcinogen P65, Suspected Gastrointestinal or Liver Toxicant, Kidney Toxicant, Neurotoxicant, Reproductive Toxicant. More hazardous than most chemicals in 6 out of 7 ranking systems.

"Effects of Nutmeg & Myristicine by Scott Dorsey"

Safrole is probably not psychoactive, so elemicin might be worth investigating, thought it is doubtful that it alone can account for the activity.

Why would someone sell something that after ingesting 5mL could send you to the hospital, along with potentially causing hepatotoxicity and cancer? Regardless, what would the dosage of "sass" (being sassafras or safrole) be for an effective psychoactive dosage?

Originally Posted by Jakenbake

Pure MDMA should be a snowflakey white, with a possible yellow-tint. Anything else is most likely MDA or MDP2P.

I did not reiterate what you said; you said that anything other than a "snowflakey white" to a yellowish-white is not pure MDMA and is MDA or MDP2P... I said:

Originally Posted by shepj

the presense of extremely small amounts of MDP2P in MDMA may cause the color to be anywhere from off-white to dark brown.

I hear percentages ~1% may alter the color of MDMA. In my book 99% pure MDMA is pure.. I recommend reading this page:

Sassafras

and browsing the "Constituents" portion of the page to see how many components Sassafras contains; even if Sassafras is psychoactive, it is not from the Safrole. Maybe it was from the Myristicin?