LSD, Good idea?Bad idea? - Page 3

Purple Hayze · #21 08-24-2007, 10:57 AM

i think im only gonna do it once but im positive that im goin to do it in the form of the little papers that it comes on, blotters, i guess they call them... like 1/2in.X1/2in. i think is the size of them, is that ok?

Token · #22 08-24-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Hayze

so what determines how many times you can do acid and hav no bad side effekts???

I learned the hard way 6 hits for your first time is way to much! But hellla fun, I felt so stoned and it felt like i was watching myself when i would walk around.

fdd2blk · #23 08-24-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Hayze

i think im only gonna do it once but im positive that im goin to do it in the form of the little papers that it comes on, blotters, i guess they call them... like 1/2in.X1/2in. i think is the size of them, is that ok?

yes, but more like 3/16" x 3/16".

Ethnobotanist · #24 08-24-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kildragoth

I haven't done it myself but from my understanding it is extremely potent and much more powerful than shrooms. My uncle did it as a teenager and it has screwed him up forever. I don't know the circumstances surrounding when he did it but after doing some research I assume he just took way too much. He hallucinates once every blue moon and has been diagnosed as schitzophrenic. He's a typical druggie that'll do anything you give him so I think he just did way too much. I'm not saying don't do it, just don't do too much because it can fuck you up. I've known other people who've done it and never had any problems but he's my uncle and it's very dissapointing to see this happen to him knowing how smart and skilled he is.

In very rare and special circumstances, psychadelics can have undesirable or even unfortunate effects. In people who are already strongly predisposed to mental illness, there is a chance that taking any psychoactive material (including marijuana) can "unlock" certain latent and hidden mental illness. In other words, Kildragoth, your uncle was already schizophrenic. It just hadn't manifested itself yet. People with a history of psychological problems, a strong tendency toward mental illness in their family, or those that have sociopathic tendencies are strongly encouraged to stay away from psychadelics. Since for some of these people, their brains are "wired" differently, it may possibly precipitate an already existing mental illness. But it isn't cut and dry, my friends. Paradoxically, some psychoactives show the potential to TREAT mental illness. In rare cases, those with -slight- sociopathic personality disorder have developed a capacity for empathy towards others with psychadelics that wasn't there previously. But it has been documented that in rare cases, psychadelics can have these undesirable effects.

But I don't want to scare people from experimenting with psychadelics. If you're not at risk, are mentally/emotionally stable, and well informed, then it can be one of the most amazing experiences of your life, next to having children. I'm not kidding. Exploring ones own consciousness is one of the most worthwhile and rewarding things a person can do in their lifetime, and psychadelics offer an easy and unique way to do so. But you must be well-informed, well-intentioned, and stable if you are wanting to use an entheogen. People sometimes use entheogens (Greek for "God (being born) within") in a recreational manner. This is part of the reason so many people have "bad trips". They take these drugs in an unpredictable environment, around people they don't implicitly trust, and do so often without being informed about the possible effects. Although you can have "fun" with these substances on occasion, they are NOT party drugs, or even recreational drugs, really. They were never used that way until rather recently, and make no mistake, these are VERY powerful substances. Somewhere along the line, during the 1960's, people thought that fragmenting your conceptual framework, altering your perceptions, and playing with your ego (sense of "self") could be fun. If you don't have respect for these substances, then, in my opinion, you have no business doing them. And it is the primary reason these substances are so feared; people who were completely unprepared playing with something they didn't understand or respect (thus leading to a wretched experience) ruined it for the rest of us.

But, if you educate yourself, surround yourself with good, trustworthy people, and keep set and setting in mind... You can uncover more inside yourself than you ever thought existed. Entheogens can bring love and understanding into your life, if you let them. And this isn't "hippie talk". If you've never had a powerful entheogenic experience, chances are you probably don't know what I'm talking about. Entheogens CAN produce empathy for other life, understanding of the universe around you, and knowledge of "what" you are, or even what "God" is. It can also solidify bonds with other people that last a lifetime. In short, they have the potential to make someone a better person, if used correctly.

Oh, and a side note... LSD-25 is neither "weaker" nor "stronger" than psychadelic mushrooms. They're two completely different substances with different effects. Like comparing apples and oranges. The "recreational" doses that most people take of mushrooms in, despite how powerful it seems, is actually a low dose. An "entheogenic/shamanic dose" or "heroic dose" is seven grams and above. For people that are especially susceptable to psilocybin, a lower dose, such as five grams, may be sufficient. Some people are more naturally resistant to the chemical, and may require more for a similar experience. LSD is active in the microgram range, and thus, less is needed for a threshold experience. It's just a difference in active dosage.

If anyone is considering using psychadelics, read, study, and open your mind. Erowid.org is a good place to start... I strongly encourage people to look at information related to the history, philosophy, and religious contexts of psychadelic use. Even if that's not your cup of tea, that will give you another view of psychadelics that experience reports can't fill in. Entheogens, believe it or not, were a driving force behind much of the counterculture. Civil rights, women's liberation, and religious freedom might not be quite where they are today if it wasn't for the cultural awakening these substances helped fuel.

~Ethno

Zekedogg · #25 08-24-2007, 12:07 PM

Well said

Schiffty · #26 08-24-2007, 11:40 PM

LSD works a little differently for everyone and there is only one way to find out how you two will get along. Just keep the setting cool and the guestlist very very low (like one chill person)

This is a great place to start
Erowid Online Books : "The Psychedelic Experience" by Leary, Metzner, & Alpert

Purple Hayze · #27 08-26-2007, 03:53 PM

dang. but dude, im growin my own mushrooms soon and i think im gonna wait till next spring, cuz i think that doin them in the winter is pointless cuz thers not alot of life or color to look at you know so its kinda a waist and im still not sure if you can store shrooms for that long and still have them be good...

foxtrot · #28 09-20-2007, 12:05 PM

I'd say if your thinking about taking it, take it. I took it for my first time 2 days ago and i took 3 hits, It wasn't what i had expected i presupposed that it would be more like mushrooms but it wasnt, t'was very unique and i had a very good time on it. I'd suggest it to anyone thinking about trying it... just have fun with it man, simple as that

WhatAmIDoing · #29 09-24-2007, 03:07 PM

I agree with nearly everything you're saying. However, I just want to put this out there because a rounded education is important. Don't let anyone tell you you have to do drugs to experience this love and understanding. Many people find these on their own without the help of psychadelics. Look at Buddhism for just one example. Everyone has their own path to achieve "enlightenment", so don't follow someone or something just because you want the end result. Make sure it's what you want, because the result of any certain action can be polar opposites for any two people. So find your own path, absorb all the information you can, but in the end, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS based on what you believe to be the best for you in the circumstances and situation.

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Originally Posted by Ethnobotanist

In very rare and special circumstances, psychadelics can have undesirable or even unfortunate effects. In people who are already strongly predisposed to mental illness, there is a chance that taking any psychoactive material (including marijuana) can "unlock" certain latent and hidden mental illness. In other words, Kildragoth, your uncle was already schizophrenic. It just hadn't manifested itself yet. People with a history of psychological problems, a strong tendency toward mental illness in their family, or those that have sociopathic tendencies are strongly encouraged to stay away from psychadelics. Since for some of these people, their brains are "wired" differently, it may possibly precipitate an already existing mental illness. But it isn't cut and dry, my friends. Paradoxically, some psychoactives show the potential to TREAT mental illness. In rare cases, those with -slight- sociopathic personality disorder have developed a capacity for empathy towards others with psychadelics that wasn't there previously. But it has been documented that in rare cases, psychadelics can have these undesirable effects.

But I don't want to scare people from experimenting with psychadelics. If you're not at risk, are mentally/emotionally stable, and well informed, then it can be one of the most amazing experiences of your life, next to having children. I'm not kidding. Exploring ones own consciousness is one of the most worthwhile and rewarding things a person can do in their lifetime, and psychadelics offer an easy and unique way to do so. But you must be well-informed, well-intentioned, and stable if you are wanting to use an entheogen. People sometimes use entheogens (Greek for "God (being born) within") in a recreational manner. This is part of the reason so many people have "bad trips". They take these drugs in an unpredictable environment, around people they don't implicitly trust, and do so often without being informed about the possible effects. Although you can have "fun" with these substances on occasion, they are NOT party drugs, or even recreational drugs, really. They were never used that way until rather recently, and make no mistake, these are VERY powerful substances. Somewhere along the line, during the 1960's, people thought that fragmenting your conceptual framework, altering your perceptions, and playing with your ego (sense of "self") could be fun. If you don't have respect for these substances, then, in my opinion, you have no business doing them. And it is the primary reason these substances are so feared; people who were completely unprepared playing with something they didn't understand or respect (thus leading to a wretched experience) ruined it for the rest of us.

But, if you educate yourself, surround yourself with good, trustworthy people, and keep set and setting in mind... You can uncover more inside yourself than you ever thought existed. Entheogens can bring love and understanding into your life, if you let them. And this isn't "hippie talk". If you've never had a powerful entheogenic experience, chances are you probably don't know what I'm talking about. Entheogens CAN produce empathy for other life, understanding of the universe around you, and knowledge of "what" you are, or even what "God" is. It can also solidify bonds with other people that last a lifetime. In short, they have the potential to make someone a better person, if used correctly.

Oh, and a side note... LSD-25 is neither "weaker" nor "stronger" than psychadelic mushrooms. They're two completely different substances with different effects. Like comparing apples and oranges. The "recreational" doses that most people take of mushrooms in, despite how powerful it seems, is actually a low dose. An "entheogenic/shamanic dose" or "heroic dose" is seven grams and above. For people that are especially susceptable to psilocybin, a lower dose, such as five grams, may be sufficient. Some people are more naturally resistant to the chemical, and may require more for a similar experience. LSD is active in the microgram range, and thus, less is needed for a threshold experience. It's just a difference in active dosage.

If anyone is considering using psychadelics, read, study, and open your mind. Erowid.org is a good place to start... I strongly encourage people to look at information related to the history, philosophy, and religious contexts of psychadelic use. Even if that's not your cup of tea, that will give you another view of psychadelics that experience reports can't fill in. Entheogens, believe it or not, were a driving force behind much of the counterculture. Civil rights, women's liberation, and religious freedom might not be quite where they are today if it wasn't for the cultural awakening these substances helped fuel.

~Ethno

~Edit~ "nearly" is just a disclaimer, in case there was something that in retrospect i don't find such a good idea. but that's unlikely, so top notch mate.

Bload · #30 09-26-2007, 11:12 PM

zekedogg knows whats up, but honestly bro i wouldnt read or assume any of these threads while going into a trip, it is different for everyone, if your gonna do it doit and dont think about all the tips people are giving you cuz that is shit thats going on with their minds not yours

PEACE~