so im about ready to start everything but im wonder if i can use househeld cleaners like windex

also it turns out i dont have a pressure cooker, i know you can sanitize everything another way but i cant seem to find it
anybody have a link or advice?

just boil your jars in a pot for a hour and a half

Steam sanitize. Use a pot of water with a hand towel or something on the bottom to keep the jars from directly touching the metal. Only fill the pot an inch or 2 and steam for at least 45 mins.

thanks, this helps a lot
saves me the time of finding and borrowing a pressure cooker

use lysol!!! and you can only steam sanatize pf cakes or whole brown rice. you will get contams with wild bird seed or rye. you need a p/c

without a pressure coker, you will be limited to BRF cakes (brown flower rice)

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get Ozium. google it.

that is actually what i got to make them
but thanks for letting me know

When making cakes I've been going by this pretty much exactly. http://www.mushroomvideos.com/. It's the PF (BRF) tek on video, the first four video's at least. I have done this and on 2 batches of 5 cakes each I have gotten NO contams. I use a lot of lysol too and have an Ionic breeze in the room I innoc in. Don't know how much it works but that and lysol hasn't failed me yet. I don't have any gloves right now, I just take a shower and then wash arms in rubbing alcohol. Good luck

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If you are fruiting over perlite bed when you initaly wet the perlite add 1.5 tbs of peroxide to water this help stop contams in fruiting chamber.

just a tip for later in your grow.

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