Ok so I have about 100+ morning glory seeds, and I've done an extraction like once, and I ended up falling asleep so idk if it worked or not hehe.
I boiled some watter, but i didnt have time to wait so i put the seeds in when it was warm. Idk i felt hella rushed and it sucked, so this is the rest of my harvest and I'd like to not waste them.
Can anyone let me know of a sure fire LSA extraction method(Natural ways, no products)

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But then you get all the strychnine that comes with the seed husk. I'll prolly try to separate the outer shell out. That way it's all good. Its pretty hard to do that, as well as time comsuming.

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Hi there Gutter.
I've messed around with these seeds a lot, it doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about, but everyone has a different tek for these seeds. I had a similar approach to you, not wanting to get involved removing fats with butane blast or ether etc.

My advice:

I don't think its strychnine, and I don't think its actually in the husk. I believe the chemicals are sappins that really make you feel nauseous (although from what I can tell, there are two classes of chemicals to avoid in these seeds).

Anyway, if you soak the seeds they will expand and pop, then you can flip off the tip were it attached to the plant, and pop out the white inner matter. You'll notice there's a white meaty part, and a semi-translucent part by where it attached to the plant and surrounding the white meaty part. I think this semi-translucent gummy part has the soapy irritants you'll feel on your hands (it might even burn/sting a bit). So for for isolating the white meaty parts (probably will take an hour with 100 seeds, good pre-trip meditation).

Then smash them up as good as you can and soak it in some water with a pill of vitamin C, or some cranberry juice, for at least 20 minutes. They won't grind well because they are soft and fleshy. Then, drink the whole thing. Don't eat much before hand, or for a couple hours afterwards, puking is possible but you'll feel immensely better afterwards.

Option 2 is just grind the seeds up with some vitamin C or lime juice, and soak it like above but for at least overnight (in the fridge, covered from light). Then filter it out and drink just the liquid (this will not be easy, it will clog coffee filters immeadiately, better have some filter bags, or never mix the gunk with the water, use a tea bag).

Lastly, I reccommend combining your dose with some peppermint oil. It eases your stomach and **possibly** acetylizes the actives in seeds or just effects the equilibrium reaction occurring once things hit solution.

Also, do you know the potency of your seeds? I have a fucking pound of these seeds but I'd say they are pretty weak, you might want to ingest them slowly...

In the end the only way to do this in my mind, is paper chromotography. Buy some chromotography paper, and find a dye with approximately the same molecular weight as LSA. InstaTabs!

Oh I forgot, you can always grind them up and put em in your rectum. No nausea!

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It is strychnine, thats what causes the vasoconstriction, but you might be right about what causes the nausea.

I know about the sprout technique but I've read it may reduce potency, so I've always been reluctant to try it.

Your the first person that also uses peppermint, very nice. Yea I know that Peppermint tea is great for nausea and stomach pains, which is why my last extraction was actually in a peppermint tea.(It was warm though couldnt cool it in time)

Ill probably end up trying the sprout technique, because i dont have a grinder of any kind.

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LSA Extraction

The method is very simple, requires nothing you can't buy easily and legally, and it's not very expensive. There are refinements galore to this, and I might try them in order to purify this stuff, but the chemicals aren't as available, and it requires things like pH paper, which I don't know how to get. Maybe I can get some anyway. I'll see.
First of all, you need either (a) a lot of morning glory seeds or (b) some hawiian baby woodrose seeds. You also need petroleum ether, which is a petroleum refining byproduct, and some high proof drinkable ethanol.
I'll explain the theory as I understand it so that you can understand the flexability in this recipe.
There are two kinds of solvents, polar and nonpolar. Generally, the good stuff in seeds is polar soluable, and the bad stuff is nonpolar soluable.
So the idea is to first make a nonpolar solution, which of course means that you take a nonpolar solvent and soak the ground up seeds in it. The result is a solution of garbage from the seeds and the nonpolar solvent. Petroleum is a nonpolar solvent, so it will function in this capacity. The down side is that petroleum is poisonous, so you don't want to drink it. The good news is that petroleum is extremely volatile, so it evaporates quickly and cleanly. So the first stage is to soak the ground up seeds in petroleum ether for a few days, and then filter the resulting cloudy solution through some coffee filters, throw away the solution, and keep the seed mush. The seed mush consists of nondisolved LSA's, fiber, and the remaining solution that didn't drip through the filter. This part can be iterated to get more and more garbage out of the mush. The final time, let the seed mush dry thoroughly so that the petroleum evaporates so that you don't have any poison in there.
After the seed mush dries, the nest stage is to make a polar solution, which separates the alkaloids (the LSA) from the fiber of the seeds. This is done with alcohol. There are other polar solvents, but again, the key is to have one which easily evaporates, one which will not destroy the LSA's, and one which is not poisonous. Ethanol serves this purpose. Methanol will also work, but methanol causes blindness, so if you use methanol, make damn sure it's all evaporated before consuming the product. In some states ethanol is illegal, and California is such a state. In that case, using methanol is probably the way to go. Also keep in mind that there is such thing as denatured ethanol, which is ethanol which has been intentionally poisoned so that it is undrinkable. The reason for doing this is that drinkable ethanol is taxable under the Tobacco Alcohol and Firearms people, and denatured ethanol has uses in chemistry and cleaning. The point is that you should under no circumstances use denatured ethanol because it will make you sick or kill you or cause cancer or all three. So, make an alcohol solution of the seeds. Then filter the solution through filter paper, like before, except this time keep the liquid in a jar. Repeat this step 3 or 4 times, always keeping the liquid. When you've exhausted the seeds, throw them away. The liquid you have should be yellow and smelly. Put this in a shallow flat tray or pan or large bowl, and let it evaporate in a dark dry place for a day or two, or until there is no liquid. The pan should have a yellowish scum residue. That's the LSA gunk. Scrape that up with a razor blade or credit card or whatever works. It'll be sticky and gummy, and once it's all scraped up it will look dark brown.
That's pretty much all there is to it. You can take this several steps further to get a more pure product. That would be to alternately make an acid solution and base salts from the LSA's, which would eventually leave you with a very pure white powder. This requires much more effort, and wastes some of the product, and the only reason for doing it would be to remove more garbage, but the amount of garbage left in the brown gunk is insignificant.
Once you have this stuff as pure as you want it, you can ingest it in your favorite form. You can either swallow it as a lump, put it into a gelatin capsule, drink the ethanol solution, or dissolve it in some cool-aid. I recommend either capsules or swallow the lump if you can handle the taste.
Other notes: Petroleum ether is in Naptha, which is available in hardware stores. That's what I've used, and it works fine. [However, see this warning about Naptha] Other petroleum solvents would work like ethyl ether, which evaporates much more easily and is a better solvent, and something like gasoline, which has additives and does not evaporate as cleanly as naptha. If you can get petroleum ether from a chemical supplier, try it instead of naptha. A rule of thumb is that after making a solution with the nonpolar solvent, and after it dries, it should smell absolutely nothing at all like petroleum, or whatever solvent you used. If you use gasoline, you'll notice a strong gasoline smell, which means you're screwed. I know first hand from repeated experience that naptha works. Also, read the labels of whatever solvent you use. Make sure it contains no benzene. Benzene is the most evil carcinogen known, and even in trace amounts it can cause cancer. There is no safe amount of benzene. On the other hand benzene is everywhere, and if some chemical engineer points out to you that there is benzene in naptha even if it's not on the label keep in mind that there is an enormous amount of benzene in automobile exhaust. You're going to die anyway. If there is no mention of carcinogens or benzene on the label of the naptha, then there isn't enough such that you should not use it.
The finer details of this recipe I can give you another time, but I just wanted to give you some theory and a general idea of what the procedure is. I can give you some things I have from off the net pertaining to this.
Subject: Re: Extracting LSA from HBWR Concerning the extraction and purification of LSA from HBWR, The alkaloids are more polar than e.g. DMT or mescaline, and are probably water soluble to some extent. Thus, while a crude extraction can be performed with methanol, the next stage of purification may not be very good. Thus the general extraction method for alkaloids is quite possibly not applicable here. That is why I want to have a look at exactly what the original method was, although the journal seems obscure to say the least. Another day in the Chem Abs section, I fear.
Subject: Re: LSA >Yup. In a nutshell, you mix the HWBR powder in a nonpolar solvent, keep the
>resultant gunk(I) and throw away the solution. Then dissolve the gunk(I)
>into a polar solvent, throw away the new gunk(II) and evaporate the solution.
>The final gunk (III) that comes out of the solution has LSA in it.
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> gunk(I) = gunk(II) + gunk(III)
> gunk(III) is the good stuff
> gunk(II) is not
> gunk(I+III) are therefore kept
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>nonpolar solvent = petroleum ether
>polar solvent = alcohol (methanol is better, but is a smidgin poisinous
> so you've got to be damn sure its all evaporated).
>
>I don't have time to give a more detailed explanation than that right
>now.
For the layman: nonpolar solvent also = Zippo lighter fluid.
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lol ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hmm. alright true dat but is it anything worth talking about compared to Sid?

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Yeah I defnitely reccommend the sprouting method...just don't over soak them I don't think it will reduce potency, it hasn't in my experience.

Regarding the LSA trip....

Most familiar with this compound in Hawiian Baby Woodrose seeds, and its is shorter in duration compared to LSD. I think in many ways, it is less intense on the body.

I've found this very worthwhile and have had my only completely revelatory, out side of time and space, relaxed experience. Given, LSD was like pure thought and presence for ~10 hours, but this was different. This was experience as the result of concsious understanding of the nature of existence and inseperably my relation to it. I had euphoria into the next week, and general happiness long after.

This is my way of saying, yes it is worth trying!

Lastly, this is just my theory, but I don't think that LAA-111 is the only active worth going for. I think it is like most organic 'drugs', and there is an array of compound that act in concert to create a greater more potent effect than any of them seperately, or in different ratios. A lot of plant chemistry is like this, regardless of human consumption.

As to the HBWR seeds...my recipe would go as such...find a good distributor...eat a couple to see if they make your stomach hurt (or don't but just be ready), eat 6, wait a couple hours (about peaking), eat 4 more. I experienced no nausea, but I did smoke some weed so that might have been it.

*note* I'm NOT bashin LSD in ANY way. If someone walked in my door with a few tabs and I trusted them, I would eat them rIghT NoW

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Also gutter, how do you know it is strychnine.

I have read in more than one source that it is, like one of the main extractions on erowid. However, I remain unconvinced. Now I'm back to being interested on this stuff...perhaps I will run another trial today.

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