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Old 09-17-2008, 09:20 PM
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Not rice flour, just plain old brown rice.

I thought this would work based on my knowledge of biology, but mostly based on my extensive first-hand experience of the various means in which food spoils.

I think regular brown rice is a better substrate for fungus because it has a lot of gaps between the grains that the mycella can move through, whereas flour produces a goo that can be hard for the filaments to penetrate. Also, bacteria would have a tougher time colonizing rice because they can't move through the gaps like fungi can.
So could I just use brown rice and mix it in vermiculite?
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Could you provide any information towards questions i might have?


1. While growing- Stink like shit or what?
2. Doing it this way, is there any fungi that can be on it that's not visible? like other than what you seen?
3. How well do you trip on these shrooms?
4. You say in a few days i seen small shrooms, What was the total time it took to yield a oz of the shrooms?
5.Mason Jars are the same as the "salsa" jars?
6. Should they get a lot of sun/no sun? what... I wanna make my own shroomies!
Mushrooms only have a faint smell (like regular eating mushrooms), unless of course they get infected, then they smell like garbage. Which is convenient, because that's where you'd be putting them.

All the molds that have grown in my rice have been on the surface, which leads me to believe that they were introduced after they were cooked. There was a bacillus contamination in a bigger jar that I started later, but the mycelia beat it back. If you want to avoid bacillus contamination, you can leave the rice soaking in water overnight, and the bacilli see all that rice and think it's party time, but then you cook it and they boil to death.

I ate like ten grams of wet mushrooms which is about 1 gram dry. I had some faint closed eye visuals (oddly enough, of nazis. i had been watching the history channel while i waited for it to kick in) and I was definitely not ok to drive. I spent a lot of time staring at the grass in the back yard, talking to the plants in my garden, and thinking of various inanimate objects as my friends. I was more or less in control; I knew what I was doing was silly and nonsensical but enjoyed it nonetheless.

Total time to get an ounce was about a month. And actually, it was more like five eighths of an ounce. Turns out the buggers weren't all the way done drying. There's still mushrooms coming up though, they're not done yet!

Salsa jars aren't ideal, I just had a lot of them lying around. The best jars would be ones where the mouth is as wide as the jar, that way you don't have to cut them in half in order to get them out. Even though I didn't use a lot of specialized stuff, I did make a good effort to be careful not to contaminate them. I didn't breathe on them or open them in a room where there was likely to be mold growing, (think kitchen!) for instance. Once the mycelia take over the top surface, they're a lot more resistant to contamination though.

They hardly need any light, they just don't like total darkness. I just put mine between my dresser and the wall, where the wastebasket used to be. There are other places I could put them, but I like looking at them. At the peak of their growing, you can notice their change in size every hour or so.

I also used cubensis B+ spores. I'm not sure if that makes a difference, but I've heard those are fairly easy to grow.

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So could I just use brown rice and mix it in vermiculite?
I'm not sure what the purpose of vermiculite is, since it adds no nutritional value. It must be either to hold water, or to create gaps for the mycelia to move through. Regular brown rice can do both of those things well enough, so I haven't been using vermiculite at all.
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wich vendor of spores did you chose for you b+ strain?
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wich vendor of spores did you chose for you b+ strain?
Shamanic Extracts - Psilocybe Cubensis "B+"

But I'd imagine any vendor would be the same. I mean, every B+ sporeprint should have exactly the same genetics. They were a bit expensive, but I had ordered stuff from them before and I knew they were legit.
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Do you leave them out in the light before they fully colonize or are you talking about when you're fruiting the cakes?
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You are never ever suppose to use cakes that have been exposed to mold this is extremely dangerous the shrooms could be contamed and you could die. Also cakes that aren't 100% colonized should not be taken out because then other contams have a chance to colonize the uncover areas by the miclium. The purpose of the vermiculite is to supply water to you cakes for better bigger fruiting. You would have been able to dunk you cakes multiple times and get flushes from your cakes but now that there is no vermiculite your cakes will probably die after the first flush. ( A flush is when you pick all the shrooms off your cake then they grow back and you can even go up to a 3 flush if you dunk.)Vermiculite is very cheap as well. This is bad technique and i wouldn't recommend any one flowing it.
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You are never ever suppose to use cakes that have been exposed to mold this is extremely dangerous the shrooms could be contamed and you could die. Also cakes that aren't 100% colonized should not be taken out because then other contams have a chance to colonize the uncover areas by the miclium. The purpose of the vermiculite is to supply water to you cakes for better bigger fruiting. You would have been able to dunk you cakes multiple times and get flushes from your cakes but now that there is no vermiculite your cakes will probably die after the first flush. ( A flush is when you pick all the shrooms off your cake then they grow back and you can even go up to a 3 flush if you dunk.)Vermiculite is very cheap as well. This is bad technique and i wouldn't recommend any one flowing it.
I wouldn't recommend anyone flowing it either. Or at least not overflowing it.

The mushrooms can become contaminated no matter how you do it, and no one's going to die from eating healthy-looking, normal-smelling cubensis mushrooms. And if you can't see or smell mold, it's not going to significantly affect your batch. I never said to take cakes that weren't 100% colonized out of the containers either. You should wait until they're ready and showing signs of tiny pinhead mushrooms.

Oh, and I have some water in the bottom of my container. During the fruiting stage, I had to add new water every day. Now they seem to be using a lot less though.
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Like you said all mushrooms can be contaminated but your method increases the odds of this happening. There is a right and a wrong way of doing this and your guide is wrong. I an not insulting you but growing and eating your own shrooms puts you life at risk every time because of contams and this teck increases those chances and you are posting a teck that could incrase the chances of hurting someone.
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If there are risks to eating mushrooms anyway then this tek is no worse than the next. Stop hating.
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Like you said all mushrooms can be contaminated but your method increases the odds of this happening. There is a right and a wrong way of doing this and your guide is wrong.
You're wrong. There is not a right way and a wrong way. There are many ways, and some work better than others. The advantage of my way is that it is very cheap and easy. The disadvantage is that you're probably more susceptible to contamination if you're not careful.
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I an not insulting you but growing and eating your own shrooms puts you life at risk every time because of contams and this teck increases those chances and you are posting a teck that could incrase the chances of hurting someone.
I would suspect that eating shrooms from an unknown source is more dangerous than growing your own. And really, every time you go outside, you're technically risking your life. I mean, there could be anthrax spores out there! But you are right, I am increasing the chances of hurting someone. I mean, someone might do what I said, get a bunch of shrooms, eat them, trip hardcore, and try and cross the street during heavy traffic. So yeah, disregard everything I said. Just say no to drugs!
 

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