Here's his proof:

1550 watts of cfl s

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this sh*ts for real.

is this picture your proof of something?

How much was that contraption? 600? And that plant isnt the dankest by any means. Nasa uses led's because they are hard to break, and easy to fix. Not because they are the best. If they were really as good as you are saying,l everyone would have them.
I see this is your first and only post. Do you sell them, or did you get stuck with too many and cant get rid of them on ebay now, or are you trying to make yourself feel better for believing a con or what?

such a waste of money for that,when 600 can get u 2 1000k convesion kits that will blow that shit out of the water.deff dissing that led as far as im concered it makes me

thats what im saying....the dude put up some pathetic growth pics to try and back up his point...

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just putting in my two cents. i have an arjan's haze 2 under LED UFO and its incredible compared to the ones under my hortilux. whenever i want to give an individual a dark green growth spurt i put it under the ufo. not only that but i am using 87watts instead of 600watts. it was 600 bux. I am happy i got it. also, room temps in the LED room are about 10degrees cooler with identical airflow.

I think they are like DVD players when they first came out. overpriced and a new technology not quite figured out yet.

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Thats proof of an idiot who doesnt know how to correctly measure a light. If you guys on this board honestly think that 1 lumen + 1 lumen != 2 lumens you are headed nowhere fast.

1. yep, 600
2. not dankest is a far cry from "Anybody who thinks LEDs will grow dope is a fool"
3. Wrong. Nasa uses LEDs because they are energy efficient. Hard to break and easy to fix lol? You have no idea wtf you are talking about you just made that shit up.
4. If they were really good everyone would have them? Really? Considering that actual performing LED grow lights have only started to emerge within the last 6 months to a year? And with the type of ignorance spread on this forum i highly doubt it.
5. Yeah, and I probably wont post much more because I sure as hell would not take growing advice from what ive seen so far in this thread.

Yeah with a 200% increase in power and heat along with costs of bulb replacements and ballasts.

the UFO was the *first* viable led grow light that actually worked. its still not that good... better lights are the lightblaze 400, procyon, and ti-smartlamp that are actually viable for full grow operations.

LED growing is just now barely becoming a real grow option. instead of fighting it with total ignorance "they dont have lumens waaahh they r a scam!!!!" do some real research first. Or dont.

so which led company do you work for......

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Right. Because obviously sticking up for a technology means I work for a related company.

You also said: "if it was good, everybody would already be doing it"

Yay for common sense! Do you have any more logical fallacies you would like to contribute?

where did i say this smart guy....

ive tried leds....i wasnt happy with the growth they were given me compared to how much i paid...if you are satisfied with the growth that you have good for you...i want nice tight dense super nugs..not loose leafy fluffy nugs...and that is what leds are producing right now...not to say in a few years there wont be another light source to compete with hid...but not leds..not today

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I apologize, that was 40acres.

Which LED light did you try? You do understand that the difference in performance between various LED lights is extreme? Your conclusion would be the equivalent of me buying one electric car that drove too slow and concluding ALL electric cars are slow.

You should be focusing on WHICH led lights are performing and which aren't instead of dismissing the entire technology. But instead people are making up complete crap about how lumens matter. And as far as cost effectiveness, a single LED light eliminates a boatload of other costs and lasts for many many years and eliminates all heat for stealth growing. You guys should be paying attention because the time at which LED growing is going to become the obvious choice is rapidly approaching.