STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

this is a nocal pure kush strictly under a 90 w and 2 flourescents dangling. this is nt the harvest pic and allthebuds were dense exept the bottom 1/3 of the plant and i got a little over anounce like35 40 grams..... so i wont say they arent good..... o in addition i treated this plant like shit for got to water a few times and barely gave it nutes prolly 4 times during the whole cycle of advanced nutrients.if u look behind this purekush bush you can see the cabinet that houses the 90 w and two . flouros and nothat bush was grown with a 250w hpswith fuller spectrum.
i wouldnt spend the money on one of these again but i wont say they are shit either. cg is right when it comes to a grow that size with a DEMAND. the only thing it would really be solving for him is a low elecric bill. this plant had plenty of room o grow but i would imagine a sog would work too. if u have the money to experiment do it and share.

Originally Posted by puffenuff

See, you expect me to compare 180w to your 4,000...it simply can't be done. Obviously you're going to have more dense undergrowth. I'm done here. You guys can all wait until everyone else says it's ok to grow with leds. Don't be a pioneer.

He never said 180w. Give him any LED panel. Give him a gazillion watt LED panel. If it has 3w diodes, it's going to be the same effect, over a larger area. I don't get it....what's so difficult to understand? It's a good thing I didn't become a teacher. I'd be yelling at kids.

Ummmm...so what's a noob supposed to think about all of this?...not just the led isseus, but the way people present themselves here at riu? I'm not criticizing anyone or what they believe...I'm just saying, as a noob, this back and forth banter can be quite disheartening and confusing...I hope somebody can set the record straight on leds. Peace!

Originally Posted by tokenbrownguy

Ummmm...so what's a noob supposed to think about all of this?...not just the led isseus, but the way people present themselves here at riu? I'm not criticizing anyone or what they believe...I'm just saying, as a noob, this back and forth banter can be quite disheartening and confusing...I hope somebody can set the record straight on leds. Peace!

What I was trying to get across, before I was attacked, is that LED's are fine for personal grows, micro grows, grow tents, SCRoG, SoG, LED's are great man. Unless you're growing monster sized plants like CG. The back and forth....that's every site. This is one of the most controversial conversations in our industry at the moment. We heat up, we cool down. In the long run, usually, RIU will get you some help and a good, informative, straight answer for any question that has one. Unfortunately, the question "Are LED's awesome-o?" doesn't have a good, informative, straight, and definitive answer. There are many variables, and people feel the need to argue over which variables are valid.

From what it sounds like you are trying to accomplish, LEDs and HID would both work out great. (If you are still going with a small time grow). And the brands I listed are still proven. Even puff would agree on that.

Originally Posted by virulient

He never said 180w. Give him any LED panel. Give him a gazillion watt LED panel. If it has 3w diodes, it's going to be the same effect, over a larger area. I don't get it....what's so difficult to understand? It's a good thing I didn't become a teacher. I'd be yelling at kids.

I can't resist you viru for some strange reason. I want to stop...but you keep luring me back haha. No hard feelings, hope you honestly read my love letter to you earlier because I think you'll see my reading comprehension is far above the average pothead's (you said second grade, right?). But really, you just kind of ticked me off by laughing at what I posted and basically writing it off. No harm done though, I might have just misconstrued your tone, that's the thing about the written word, you can't understand the subtleties of conversation as well as with the spoken word.

But about the 180w...He showed me a picture of his 4,000w tray and asked to see a pic of my plants, which I used a 180w, so that's why I say that picture won't help him. He needs to see a picture of a tray with about 2.5-3k watts of led to compare effectively. If done properly, the penetration won't be an issue. What's so hard to understand about that?

I get what you're saying about 3w only having so much penetration power...but I'm saying 3w is plenty to get good penetration. If I'm not having an issue...why are others? I must be doing something differently then and I'll keep doing it. If you still don't care that I'm not having penetration issues, there are other ways that you can fix that besides the scrog I mentioned. How about some spotlights pointed upward underneath to get the lower sites more light? That's one of the great things about leds is that they come in different sizes and their casing designs allow for a modular setup. You can angle the lights however you want. I've even considered ditching the reflective surface on the walls and just installing panels up and down the walls. There's so many things you can do to counter the penetration issues everyone is having with them but me.

Hope there's no bad mojo going forth. Happy growing brother!

[Ok, thank you for the info. I assumed the combo would be good, but for the amount f heat, price, and perpetual cost of electricity, would i be better suited with a small hos ( another 250, ) or should i make the jump into led? If led, which wattage is preferred for optimal output? Btw, i would never say 'awesome-o' nor would i ask such a question...at least not in dem der, werds.QUOTE=virulient;6397777]What I was trying to get across, before I was attacked, is that LED's are fine for personal grows, micro grows, grow tents, SCRoG, SoG, LED's are great man. Unless you're growing monster sized plants like CG. The back and forth....that's every site. This is one of the most controversial conversations in our industry at the moment. We heat up, we cool down. In the long run, usually, RIU will get you some help and a good, informative, straight answer for any question that has one. Unfortunately, the question "Are LED's awesome-o?" doesn't have a good, informative, straight, and definitive answer. There are many variables, and people feel the need to argue over which variables are valid.

From what it sounds like you are trying to accomplish, LEDs and HID would both work out great. (If you are still going with a small time grow). And the brands I listed are still proven. Even puff would agree on that.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by puffenuff

I can't resist you viru for some strange reason. I want to stop...but you keep luring me back haha. No hard feelings, hope you honestly read my love letter to you earlier because I think you'll see my reading comprehension is far above the average pothead's (you said second grade, right?). But really, you just kind of ticked me off by laughing at what I posted and basically writing it off. No harm done though, I might have just misconstrued your tone, that's the thing about the written word, you can't understand the subtleties of conversation as well as with the spoken word.

But about the 180w...He showed me a picture of his 4,000w tray and asked to see a pic of my plants, which I used a 180w, so that's why I say that picture won't help him. He needs to see a picture of a tray with about 2.5-3k watts of led to compare effectively. If done properly, the penetration won't be an issue. What's so hard to understand about that?

I get what you're saying about 3w only having so much penetration power...but I'm saying 3w is plenty to get good penetration. If I'm not having an issue...why are others? I must be doing something differently then and I'll keep doing it. If you still don't care that I'm not having penetration issues, there are other ways that you can fix that besides the scrog I mentioned. How about some spotlights pointed upward underneath to get the lower sites more light? That's one of the great things about leds is that they come in different sizes and their casing designs allow for a modular setup. You can angle the lights however you want. I've even considered ditching the reflective surface on the walls and just installing panels up and down the walls. There's so many things you can do to counter the penetration issues everyone is having with them but me.

Hope there's no bad mojo going forth. Happy growing brother!

See......I love you. LOL. I agree with everything you just said. I think maybe comparing your 180w bud to a 400 or even a 600w for be a little more fair, but I agree the 1000w is tough to compete with, especially 4 of them. But yea, what you're saying about the SCRoG/SoG, that's the message I've been trying to portray all along. LED's are perfect for these conditions, because all you have to do is buy enough lights to cover your entire screen/canopy. I thought we were on the same page all along, then we somehow ended up arguing haha. No hard feelings!

Originally Posted by tokenbrownguy

[Ok, thank you for the info. I assumed the combo would be good, but for the amount f heat, price, and perpetual cost of electricity, would i be better suited with a small hos ( another 250, ) or should i make the jump into led? If led, which wattage is preferred for optimal output? Btw, i would never say 'awesome-o' nor would i ask such a question...at least not in dem der, werds.QUOTE=virulient;6397777]What I was trying to get across, before I was attacked, is that LED's are fine for personal grows, micro grows, grow tents, SCRoG, SoG, LED's are great man. Unless you're growing monster sized plants like CG. The back and forth....that's every site. This is one of the most controversial conversations in our industry at the moment. We heat up, we cool down. In the long run, usually, RIU will get you some help and a good, informative, straight answer for any question that has one. Unfortunately, the question "Are LED's awesome-o?" doesn't have a good, informative, straight, and definitive answer. There are many variables, and people feel the need to argue over which variables are valid.

From what it sounds like you are trying to accomplish, LEDs and HID would both work out great. (If you are still going with a small time grow). And the brands I listed are still proven. Even puff would agree on that.

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I know. Cartman IS Awesome-o. Which single handedly makes the expression awesome-o, awesome. I just got a new strain lol im baked.

Edit - To answer your question, combining LED and HID can produce very desirable results. It can result in a more full spectrum.