Now to show how these two strains normally compare I took a picture of one widow and one crystal plant at 12 weeks of flowering. And the cola of each plant. This is the first harvest from plants that have been under t-5's for eight weeks. The next picture show a plant from table 2, four weeks of flowering compared to the 12 week flowering plant. You will notice the four week flowering plant is already taller. That is because I left it in veg longer than I usually would, while I got thing rolling. The close up show its clearly budding and it does have 8 weeks to go so I'm hoping for a nice harvest from that group. I'm also hoping it is the last group I have under the 400 watt hps.Turn the page. VV

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What I am attempting to show in these picture is the difference in light penetration between the 400 watt hps and the 440watt t-5's. Not sure if my camera is good enough to show the difference.
I took my EC reading before flooding with the following results.
The mother table is at EC 1.8. My target is 1.8 to 2.0 so this one is right on.
Table 1, clones is at EC 1.4 to 1.6. This is because I drop the EC by adding extra water when I get ready to put them in flowering. This lowers the nitrogen content a little and nitrogen blocks early root development. I haven't quite decided if I'm going to keep mothers or just take clones when I get ready to put them into flowering. I am leaning towards doing that. I want to start some blueberry so I my just let the e mothers pass into flowering to clear a spot for them.
Table 2 is ECof 2.0 to 2.2 and don three gallons of ro water. Topped it off and its now at 2.0
Table 3 is at EC 2.0 to 2.2 and down about 2 gallons. Topped it off and its at 2.0.
Table 3, 12 weeks flowering and soon to be harvested was at EC 1.6 to 1.8 and down almost three gallons of water, topped it off and added 6 oz of Ionic Bloom. Brought it to EC 2.0. Then added 4oz of Ionic Boost, Use twice a week in the last four weeks of flowering.
We had a heatwave compared to normal temperature in Michigan with extremly high Relative humidity in late September and early October. I couldn't quite swing the dehumidifier or air condiotioner this year and even with my ventilation the RH during the day was as high as 70% which I'm sure had an effect the yeild I will get from these plants.
Now we will have the opposite problem. We will have to heat the grow room and add humidity. I was able get the humidifier last year and you have seen my sexy heater. If you don't think it can be sexy you haven't been in my grow room when the fireplace is burning, the lights are out. with the air pumps and fans making it sound more like a water fall then a grow room. The smell of fresh marijuana in the air, now that is sexy.
Thanx all for listening, GK a special thanx for the stem comparison idea, hope it shows up. VV

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No, I'm saying sell them to someone at a good price, thats what I did with 2 of my 400watt hps light. Use the t-5's and achieve the same result, A more even grow as well, because the light is spread out more and less heat issues.

Not only do I think so I intend to prove it, kinda. The kinda is that I think I have gotten a little better at growing and I know I am using more additives then I was before. So we will have to make mental adjustments because of the enhancements that don't have anything to do with the change in lights. In addition I converted all my tables to flood and drain instead of drip and I think that is giving me better results as well. I know its easier for me to work with.
I'm not going to go backwards to prove a point, I don't have stock in any light company. Mines all in Vic's work shop. I have to say I love it here. I am always open to visitors from rollitup if I feel comfortble with the person asking to visit. A couple of folks have. They think I should be proud of it, and I am. I love you man and Butterfly kisses was always one of my favorite songs. I uhh... didnt have any girls, I do like the song VV

I believe in doing business, as much as is economical with the local Hydro Shop. Mine does have a website, has been in business in that location since 1983 which is impressive.
It should cost $340.00 or less out he door with bulbs included, 1/2 red, 1/2 blue. If there is not a local source then by all means contact www.superiorgrowers.com They have always given me excellent advice.


Sorry sometimes my sarcasm misses and I don't make myself clear. If you are talking about mounting them on the sides in addition to the 8 tube at the top then I didn't explain it very well. I was actually kind off trying to drive a point home. I have been saying the t-5 will work as good as the 600 watt hids and some folks just can't believe you can drop your electric use and get the same results. I was trying to be funny and tell them if they just had to have a higher electric bill to be happy they could add more t-5's to get closer to the same electric expense as the 600 watt hid. Now they would be able to see if there is a difference 600watt to 600watt instead of comparing it to my little 440 watt t-5. One person even tried to point out a better grow with a 1000watt hid. So I was really just trying to drive a point home not suggest you would need more than that one fixture for you closet. Remember I have that fixture over 20 plants. You can't put 20 mature plants in that closet. You will have plenty off light. And to start with you can just light 1/2 the fixture. Clones or seedling won't be big enough to need all 8 bulbs to start with. To give you an idea you could check out my DIY clone stand. There are 16 or so clones getting ready for the second transplant soon. Before that they were all in one tray, so you can see they dont take much space.
$340.00 depending on your states sales tax rate ours is 6%. If you have to pay shipping that would probably add about $30.00 to the price. And most of the hanging hardware is already there. Couple small lengths of chain and eye hooks secured at least an inch deep into solid wood, a couple 'S' hooks for raising and lowering it. Plug it in and go. No separate ballast, etc. VV

If I knew how to qoute multiple posts I would thank you all individually for the kind comments. And if I knew how I would link you to the other threads instead of making you look for them. I don't know how. Please accept my thanx to everyone on rollitup that has helped me through this year. It has been a blast for this old man. Thank you all. VV

ok guys look at it this way, i've already posted this subject before don't know where it went.

a t5 light can cover this much area ==================
a 600 watt has to be at a distance and can only cover this much because its high and reflective material works like this /\

t5 are definitely a +++++ Plus from what i've read from NGW catalog if you will please pick one up is that the t5 puts out the most "useful" light comparing to wattage that other lighting source uses.

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Waffles.

There is that picture worth a thousnd words. Thanx waffle. VV

All I can say is WOW! Obvously I need to upgrade my lights, but here where I live its alot easier said than done. But here is a site where I think I may have found T5 4' 8 tube for a good price. Unless the $340 setup includes the bulbs. T5 Fluorescent Fixtures

I am completely sold on these T5 fixtures. I don't think i would bother with hps or mh bulbs at all. Thank you VV for enlightening me!! - pun intended

I have one question for you. do you have seperate rooms for vegetation and flowering? you need 18 hours in one, and 12 hours of light in the other, right??


Great set-up, by the way!

those are some heavy claims VV... what's your veg' time, and how much do you yield per plant?

Thanks in advance.