I'm Purchasing New Electrode-Less Magnetic Induction Lights

I am purchasing the new electrode-less magnetic induction bulbs and ballast.

This is a new technology that has been out for about 3 years.

It is far more efficient than most lights, it rivals LED's.

The main advantages:

They produce less heat than hps or MH, doesnt need cool tube, can be down close to plants. Heat is similar to CFL fluorecents.

They produce more light (lumens and pars than cfl's, and 500w produces lumens rival a 1000w MH)

They come in different color temps, 2700, 3600, 6500, and 8700.

They cost much less than LED's per watt, and also cfl's per watt.

Best part... they dont need replace for a VERY LONG TIME. (over 15 years, or 100,000 hours)

These lights have no electrode inside the light... they are a sealed loop tube like a cfl. The gas inside is excited via 2 magnetic rings on the outside of the tube. Thus, there are no parts that wear out.


Its no wonder the american companies dont want us knowing about them, it kills lightbulb sales once you own these.

Bulbs come with ballast.

Bulbs turn on instantly. No wait time for off/on restrikes.

80% power savings.

Regular retail pricing that north american retailers will charge for these is $500-$700+ for the 300w bulbs, and close to a $1000 for the 400w.

I have contacted the factory in china, and they have no problem shipping to me direct.

If you are interested in them, I dont need your money up front, I just need to get a decent count of how many everyone wants.

Complete system, bulb and ballast
The prices im getting them at:

200w $250
300w $350
400w $450
500w $600

you will save over half your electric bill if you get the 400w or 500w to replace the 1000w mh for veg.

I honestly dont believe anything touches a 1000w hps for blooming, but, they claim its close. I do believe that their 500w does out perform a 600w hps tho, it creates more lumens, and more par, and the color temp graph is nearly identical on the 2700 and 3600 color temp graphs to your hps bulbs.

I have found 2 retailers here in the states that carry the 400w, and NO retailers that i can find even carry the 500w systems.

These systems come with a 5 year unconditional warranty on the bulb and ballast (which i can take care of).

These bulbs are designed to replace street lamps, so they work fine in harsh climates.

I am not asking for money, Im simply trying to get a head count on how many to buy based on how many of us want to get one. Once i have them, then i can ship them once i recieve payment from you.

Let me know if you are interested.

Here is a north american retailer so you can check these out....

http://www.enviro-techlighting.com/par_max_efdl.html

something else to keep in mind...

t5 cfls... an 8 bay, 4 ft ficture, which has 8 54 watt bulbs...

this is over 400 watts.

this fixture costs 300+ dollars.

or you can have a lightweight, single light.

another thing to think about...

the cfl that screws into the socket, that has all the tubes that do U turns, and the light is like a cylinder...

realize, the top half of these lights, dont fire down towards your plants.

to say half the light does not hit plants is an understatment...

the bottom tubes, HALF the light from them shoots down, the other half shoots up.

Then you have the bulbs up top... MOST of their light cant get to the plants because they are blocked by the bottom lights of the cylindrical shape of the bulb configuration.

hope this makes sense.

have you seen any grows done with these? Im sure lots of people will be interested once they see a successful grow.

Also here is a thread of a whole group of people who might be interested in this https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/226854-plasma-future-growing.html

sherriberry said:

something else to keep in mind...

t5 cfls... an 8 bay, 4 ft ficture, which has 8 54 watt bulbs...

this is over 400 watts.

this fixture costs 300+ dollars.

or you can have a lightweight, single light.

another thing to think about...

the cfl that screws into the socket, that has all the tubes that do U turns, and the light is like a cylinder...

realize, the top half of these lights, dont fire down towards your plants.

to say half the light does not hit plants is an understatment...

the bottom tubes, HALF the light from them shoots down, the other half shoots up.

Then you have the bulbs up top... MOST of their light cant get to the plants because they are blocked by the bottom lights of the cylindrical shape of the bulb configuration.

hope this makes sense.

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if thats the case it would be perfect for vertical grows ,wouldn't ya think ?

I'll stick to my CMH, thank you very much. When sulfur plasma becomes "mainstream" I may finally step up to that. Reality though, is as long as Philips keeps making these cmh lamps I have the perfect light for my planties.

how many watts are the cmh's? and do you hang them down in between the plants? what other lights have you used, and how do they compare to hps?

in response to the other guy, YES, i think they would be great for vertical grows, thats why im about to buy a bunch of them

sherriberry said:

how many watts are the cmh's? and do you hang them down in between the plants? what other lights have you used, and how do they compare to hps?

in response to the other guy, YES, i think they would be great for vertical grows, thats why im about to buy a bunch of them

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I'm running 400w CMH's(one veg, and one in the future for flowering), but they are available from 30-150w in pulse start metal halide of varying spectrum and color tempurature.

The 250 and 400w'ers are for magnetic hps ballasts and are labled such on the box and in the part number, CDM400s51/V or HOR/alto/4K.

The rule of thumb is, if you have a digital ballast it will cause a CMH to fail. The CMH's arc tube is designed to run on 60hz from the magnetic ballast, when a digital ballast hammers it with whatever frequency it runs at... say 20,000hz it causes a vibration in the arc tube causing it to rupture. So, DO NOT use CMH lamps in digital ballasts unless it explicitly lists compatibility by part number for the CMH you are using.

That being said, I was using a 400w HPS and I found it produced way more heat than the CMH does. My plants are nice and short with amazing growth quality rather short and squat. Though I may have to prune them back as they are getting far to wide for SOG.

I have not flowered under the CMH yet, but I have under HPS with this strain but I won't be able to offer much more than a seat of my pants estimate of difference when I get some flowered plants. I would say, judging by the short size of the plants with limited stretch, compaired to the HPS is a wonderful factor for growing in my closet.

I'm using horzontally placed lamps(CMH's are position sensitive so make sure you get the correct lamp for your setup!) under a gloss white bat wing. Matt white walls, with tinfoil on one side.

I've got an analog light meter in ft.candles and at 22" from the arc tube it pegs the 10,000 scale.

This is the most important part of the CMH though:


I do not represent the company in the link, nor am I in sales. This picture was the first i found in a google search.

Anyone that is going to argue "but it doesn't have as many lumens as the normal HPS!" is not willing to open their mind enough to look at the spectrum and realise how much more available light there is for our plants in the ranges it needs. There is lots of red in there, unlike the MH, lots of blue in there, unlike the HPS but for the most part it's a nice even balance.

There is UV output as I get a mild burn from working under it with my t-shirt and it quickly turns my transition lenses to their outdoor setting. This lamp has basically everything we need for healthy plant growth and is priced close to the fancy grow lamps... which I have never bought or will never try.

I also have some lettuce, broccoli, garlic, tomatoes, peppers, spinach and they are such a healthy green.

NickNasty said:

have you seen any grows done with these? Im sure lots of people will be interested once they see a successful grow.

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I'm interested but until it's tested on a grow, it's a $500 mystery.

Show us a grow and we'll show you the money.

check this thread for pics

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/250408-m-land-super-grow-light.html

Very interesting. I'll be watching to see how things go.

Subscribed. I'm very curious as well.

sherriberry said:

check this thread for pics

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/250408-m-land-super-grow-light.html

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I see they can grow plants. I'm a bit skeptical about the denisity/size of buds with these vs HPS.

I'd love to test one vs my 600w to see if the bud yield is the same.

YGB

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induction lights have been around for a long time. I've seen several attempts to grow with them with moderate to good results, but the story that they are far more efficient than HPS I haven't seen proven in any grow yet. Here is a link (sorry, it's in Dutch but google translator does wonders) to a first time grow that resulted in 0,8 gr/watt and decent buds.

Great grow report Wazzup (even with the translation). Thanks for the link. One thing I could not figure out was what the wattage was for the lights. I see there are 1 per plant, total 6.

welp, sorry to disapoint...

but the only way i could get a good deal on the lights was if i bought quite a few (as in 10)

which i would have done... but only if someone was going to buy a few off me once i got my hands on them.

The deal i came across instead is lumatek digital ballasts, 600w, with hps bulbs, all cords, and reflector...

for 250 shipped.

So... im just trying to get my current setup going, and then maybe down the road i will mess with these unproven lights.

but im like you guys, skeptical of everything...

but i do look forward to testing them... i jsut dont want to buy 10 and find out they suck... nor do i want to buy 1 for 600 bucks when i can get 2 hps kits for that...

so, in time...

if anyone else tries these out, please post here.

Id like to do a side by side with hps for budding with lights of equal amounts of power consumption each in their own area, and see which one does better.

that dutch grow had a great harvest from those lights, so they look pretty decent.

hey Sherry, it seems me and you think pretty similar =]

Hopefully I should have an induction lighting run up and running pretty soon. Of course, will post all results here on RUI (in a different thread)...

That was a waste...reading on how great you thought these lights only to find out you bought a 250w HPS...WTF!

That deal is on eBay all day every day to bro from HTG supply or something like that.