Inline fans, push or pull air?

bam bam

Active Member
I have read that inline fans are propulsive, so they are best used to push air instead of pulling air?

What should my set up be.

1)window(source of fresh air)-->inline fan(pushing air)--> 5FT of duct-->cooltube-->exhaust out

OR
2)window(source of fresh air)--> 5FT of duct--> cooltube -->inlinefan(pulling air)--> exhaust out
 

abellguy

Active Member
I would say the only thing that would make a difference would be if you were changing duct sizes at all, you would want to go from big to small not the other way around that would give you best air flow. Hope this helps :joint:
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
I have read that inline fans are propulsive, so they are best used to push air instead of pulling air?

What should my set up be.

1)window(source of fresh air)-->inline fan(pushing air)--> 5FT of duct-->cooltube-->exhaust out

OR
2)window(source of fresh air)--> 5FT of duct--> cooltube -->inlinefan(pulling air)--> exhaust out

a window or oscillating fan for fresh air input and a extractor fan(ruck fan)for exhaust.
always mount your exhaust fan ducting at the top of the grow room as the hoter air is always at the top of your room/growroom.
you can also mount a 6" desk fan(as i do) pointing at your lamp/bulb to keep it cool.
i use 3 oscillating fans.
1(16") to blow around the room.
2(6") to blow directly on to my lamp.
3(8") blowing gently on my plants.
as well as my 5" ruck/extractor fan to suck it all up dispersing it into another room.
always mount your exhaust ducting level with the roof.
LUDACRIS.
 

weedicus

Active Member
i've heard they pull better than push, but i have no evidence to back that up. its just the way i've always hooked it up
 

dbo24242

New Member
exhaust the cooltube air out the window, otherwise you aren't doing anything but moving the heat inside of the room. you want to pull the heat out of the room.
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
Better to exhaust than to push in. One, the passive intake will work much better than a passive exhaust, and the cfms from the exhaust will be closer to their actual capabilities than an intake mounted system (provided there's not too much ducting between the fan and wherever the exhaust air is going).

The only situation I know of where pushing air is better is when you're using can fan's to push cold air into hot, air cooled reflectors.
 

abellguy

Active Member
Its my understanding that pulling is better.

I would be interested in understanding why?! I am sure it is easy enough for people to change polls on the motor of fans if one way is better!!

It seems if heat is inside the hood and your goal is to get that heat out of the room. If you have a duct that starts outside the room pref in a cool area and then run to your fan and through your lights and then out you will have the majority of the "strong" flow at the cool side pushing the heat out (so maybe putting a little more cool air to the lights)
and the other way around the "strong" flow would be better at pulling the heat out with the flow of cool air directly to the hood being somewhat reduced seeing how the fan is farther away.

I would like to know for future use, I know with the ice box its best to have a fan blowing through the hood, through ice box "radiator" then into room, don't know if there is any relevance here? :joint:
 

DaBull

Active Member
There is NO difference between push or pull with respect to the cool tube. But for the plant compartment, Ludacris is right about pulling hot air out from the top.
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
How do I add ventilation to my grow area?
There are a couple of considerations to observe when planning your ventilation, they’re pretty simple concepts; but they are often overlooked.

· First, remember that warmer air will naturally rise to the top of any container, and that cooler air will naturally settle towards the bottom.
· Also remember that when ventilating any space, the volume (VOLUME, in cubic feet or cubic meters... [L x W x H]) of air that goes IN, also has to come OUT.
· You can’t expect to ventilate a grow space by simply forcing air in, and not providing an exhaust vent.

Since the object is to remove as much warm air as possible, and replace it with cooler air, it will be most efficient to place the exhaust as close to the top of the space as possible, and place the intake as close to the bottom as possible.

Should I place the fan in the exhaust, intake or both?
The fan should be placed in the exhaust, and the intake should be a simple hole (or light trap, if light getting out is a concern).
This type of system is known as an Active Exhaust, Passive Intake System.
Mounting the fan in the exhaust, sucking air out of the room accomplishes a couple of things...
Since the exhaust is at the top of the area, the fan will suck the hottest air out of the area first. The fan is actually lowering the air pressure inside the area. Any incidental pinholes or leaky seams will simply draw air in. If the fan were blowing IN, those pinholes and leaks would allow potentially smelly air OUT.

How big should the passive intake be?
It should be slightly larger than the exhaust. Remember, the volume of air being blown out, will be replaced through the intake. Using a bigger intake hole allows the incoming air to be at a lower velocity (speed), which minimizes mixing up of the air in the area. It will also allow the fan to operate more efficiently.

How big should the fan be?
Fans are rated in either cubic feet (CFM) or cubic meters per minute in North America. In Eurpose, metric fans are rated in m3/hr - cubic metres per hour (m3/hr).

That means a 70CFM fan will move 70 cubic feet of air in one minute.
Your fan should be big enough to move the volume of your area 2 to 3 times every minute. A 70 CFM fan would be adequate for a 35 cubic foot area, and would be optimal for roughly a 23 cubic foot area.

· To figure your area’s cubic volume, multiply (in feet) the length by the width by the height.

What if I have more than one fan? Should I use one to blow air in and one to suck air out?
Not if the object is to provide as much ventilation and cooling as possible.

· If you have two 3-inch diameter fans, and you mount one in the intake, and one in the exhaust, you have a total intake area of one 3-inch hole and a total exhaust area of one 3-inch hole.
· If you use both fans as exhausts, you have TWO 3-inch exhausts and two 3-inch intakes (actually, two 3.3 inch intakes. They should be bigger than the exhausts, remember?).
· Twice as many holes, twice as much airflow. Enhanced Blower Mods
Timer Options
If you find that the "Lights off" temps are lower than you'd prefer, you can simply run the fan from the same timer as the light by using a multi outlet power strip connected to the timer. Plug the lights and the fan into the power strip, and the fan will turn on/off with the lights. If you're using more than one fan, you could connect some or all of them, remembering that the more fans you have running, the lower the temps will be.
* SAFETY NOTE: The timer must be able to handle the additional electrical load, or an additional timer must be used. SAFTEY FIRST.

Sound Suppression
Making the ventilation system quieter can be an important consideration, and it's important to remember that the air moving through the intakes and exhausts make noise, as well as the fan itself. Some of the fan noise from vibration can be overcome by mounting the fan in a non-rigid manner. The fans can me mounted using rubber grommets to help dampen the vibration. Self-adhesive foam rubber window insulation can also be used. In some installations, it can be mounted by threading a bungee cord through each mounting hole, then attaching the other ends of the bungee cord to the exhaust hole.

· Generally, air moving through ductwork or tubing can become noisy, particularly if the air has to move at a higher velocity. More, larger diameter intakes and vent tubes will generally be quieter than fewer, smaller diameter intakes and vents. The fans also don't have to work quite as hard.
· Finally, although popular and easy to use, flexible "Accordion" type hose, commonly used to connect clothes dryers to external vents are not always the best choice, as they cause a great deal of drag, (making the fans work harder) and generally air flowing through them is noisier than smoother ductwork.

Filtering\Odor Control
Connecting a Carbon scrubber is a good method of controlling the odor that can be a dead giveaway to an otherwise stealthy installation. A carbon scrubber is simply an expansion chamber (box) into which the smelly air from a flower chamber is pumped. The chamber has a large exhaust vent, which is covered by an activated carbon air filter. The chamber must be big enough to provide a damping effect of the incoming air. If too small a scrubber is used, the fan will not be capable of pushing air through the filter. Here, you actually want the exhaust vent to be considerably bigger than the intake.

· There are also several DIY Odor killers available, which work to varying degrees to provide an "Odor Cover-up."
· Remember, the term "Low Odor Strain" is relative.
· Even the low odor strains generally still stink pretty badly near the end of flowering.

LUDACRIS.
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
just my 2cents, but I rather push. Reason being it gives more molecules at the light to absorb heat. Now some may say the push will compress the air raising its temp, but the light is going to raise it anyways.

(also my fan has plastic blades/impeller, so rather not have the hot air on that)

But all in all, I don't think it really matters
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
its really all down to each and everybodys individual growing environment/growroom/grow area/space etc etc.
its about finding whats best for your individual needs and growing environment and finding simply what works best and appliying the nessesary requirements for perfect growing conditions for your garden.
whatever way you go about it you must recirculate the growroom air by exhausting(sucking) air out from the room(roof) and replenishing the expelled air by either an intake fan or a simple window or opening your growroom door regularly replenishing the exhausted air.cool tubes are really a waste of time and are not reqd.all you need is a small 6" fan blowing on your lamp and thats probably better in my opinion for cooling your lamp.the fan blowing on to your lamp(if quite strong) will allow your lamp to swing on its hangings which is not exactly a light mover but its good for no extra expense.
there is absouloutely no need to cooltube a lamp with ducting and fans when 1 fan is a much better simpler cheaper and better option.

LUDACRIS.
 

MyGTO2007

Well-Known Member
thats badass Lud, you know alot about Air movement....cool me too..been doing alot of research on it ...its a science just like you said, their has to be a balance to it!! check out my Room just got done with it 3 wks ago.... Im using a S&P 6'' exhaust 293 cfm and the same for the intake ported at bottom, now i will have a 4'' S&P for my lights,(they both have a 100cfm in them)

But Pull up a chair load a bowl and check out my journal !! +rep for the post
 

MyGTO2007

Well-Known Member
its really all down to each and everybodys individual growing environment/growroom/grow area/space etc etc.
its about finding whats best for your individual needs and growing environment and finding simply what works best and appliying the nessesary requirements for perfect growing conditions for your garden.
whatever way you go about it you must recirculate the growroom air by exhausting(sucking) air out from the room(roof) and replenishing the expelled air by either an intake fan or a simple window or opening your growroom door regularly replenishing the exhausted air.cool tubes are really a waste of time and are not reqd.all you need is a small 6" fan blowing on your lamp and thats probably better in my opinion for cooling your lamp.the fan blowing on to your lamp(if quite strong) will allow your lamp to swing on its hangings which is not exactly a light mover but its good for no extra expense.
there is absouloutely no need to cooltube a lamp with ducting and fans when 1 fan is a much better simpler cheaper and better option.

LUDACRIS.

And yes your right on that,
every room is different
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
thats badass Lud, you know alot about Air movement....cool me too..been doing alot of research on it ...its a science just like you said, their has to be a balance to it!! check out my Room just got done with it 3 wks ago.... Im using a S&P 6'' exhaust 293 cfm and the same for the intake ported at bottom, now i will have a 4'' S&P for my lights,(they both have a 100cfm in them)

But Pull up a chair load a bowl and check out my journal !! +rep for the post
And yes your right on that,
every room is different
thanks mate i am already on the bowl.
:eyesmoke::eyesmoke::lol::lol:

LUDA.

(just ask).
 

bam bam

Active Member
just my 2cents, but I rather push. Reason being it gives more molecules at the light to absorb heat. Now some may say the push will compress the air raising its temp, but the light is going to raise it anyways.

(also my fan has plastic blades/impeller, so rather not have the hot air on that)

But all in all, I don't think it really matters
I think pushing is also better. You probally dont want all that hot air running through your fan.

If you put your fan after your intake but before your long ducting both your intake and exhaust are not compromised and will be able to operate at its highest CFM. Sure since you are pushing air through the long ducting it might take a longer time for your cold air to get to the bulb, but eventually it does and it will push the hot air out. Your CFM is only reduced at the bulb and not at the fan.

If you connect your fan after the long ducting then you compromised your intake so now you fan's exhaust will have less air to push into your bulb. So now your cfm is reduced at the fan's intake, the fan's exhaust and also at the bulb.
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
I think pushing is also better. You probally dont want all that hot air running through your fan.

If you put your fan after your intake but before your long ducting both your intake and exhaust are not compromised and will be able to operate at its highest CFM. Sure since you are pushing air through the long ducting it might take a longer time for your cold air to get to the bulb, but eventually it does and it will push the hot air out. Your CFM is only reduced at the bulb and not at the fan.

If you connect your fan after the long ducting then you compromised your intake so now you fan's exhaust will have less air to push into your bulb. So now your cfm is reduced at the fan's intake, the fan's exhaust and also at the bulb.

absoloute nonsense mate.
look at any grow boxes/tents that you can buy from hydro stores and you will see whats what.
EXHAUST AT THE ROOF AND INTAKE FROM ELSEWHERE!!!!!!!!.
LUDACRIS.
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
How do I install a duct fan to operate most efficiently?
(principles of effective ventilation)

Many growers own fans powerful enough to move air of a city block in Manhattan, but has failed to install it properly, causing greater pressure reduction. This extra pressure drop is called the system effect or system dissipation, and can cause the fan to produce a smaller volume of air than indicated in the fan diagram.

The following factors must be considered in order to avoid system dissipation:

At the Inlet


The distance to the nearest wall must be more than 0.75 the inlet's diameter.
The inlet duct's cross section must not be greater than 112% or less than 92% of the fan inlet.
The inlet duct's length must be at least 1 x the duct diameter.
The inlet duct must no have any obstacles to the air flow (dampers, branching or similar).


At the outlet

The angle at the reduction of the duct cross-section must be less than 15 degrees
The angle at the enlargement of the duct cross-section must be less than 7 degrees
A straight length of at least 3x duct diameter is required after a duct fan.
Avoid 90 degree bends (use 45 degree)
Bends must be shaped so that they follow the air stream after the fan.

If the connections are different from this, there could be a greater pressure reduction.
Circular duct fans for example, are propulsive, pushing the air. And should be installed so that the long duct is after the fan itself.

LUDACRIS.
 
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