Stealth Hydro Bubbleponics 1st Grow

Jmade · #1 02-03-2009, 10:53 AM

This is my First grow, I bought a Stealth Hydro bubbleponics system, with all female PPP seeds. I was inspired by and followed Roseman and purpdaddys guide.

I set the Tank inside an old wooden cabinet that I have, it fit perfectly, Inserted a Dowel rod to mount the lights on, chains to hang them. things got off to an interesting start. we prepped the seeds inside the rock-wool cubes, put styrofoam discs on top of the cubes, the door had warped overtime having the cabinet letting a little bit of light in. the next day or so I had a sprout up and out looking for light, I also think that I may have had the lights up too high for the start, they started growing and shooting up way too fast, their stems couldn't hold the weight. We (my Dad and I) lowered the lights and used to stakes to help support the plants, now they have pretty big stems and seems to be taking off quite well. I picked up a water thermomitor @ a pet shop store to track the water temp, which has been great and we also put a humidifier inside the bottom of the cabinet to bring up the humidity levels. everything seems to be going good now. I have been reading and reading and scouring, I am not quite sure where to go next. My goal was to try to prep and plan everything out to have the easiest grow. So I started with all Female PPP seeds. after reading I'm not sure if the tank can now handle all six girls. I also am having a hard time understanding, executing the proper steps for Sea of Green growing with this tank. We are now at Day 28. Any and all help would and will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Roseman · #2 02-04-2009, 08:08 AM

It is not too late to do some Topping and Fiming:

Essentially there are the same, "Pruning" and "Topping", just two different commonly words used. It is also known to some as "Pinching" as well. In this page it will be refered to it as "Topping"

Topping is done to increase yield and make them bushy, bushy, promote "branching", and increase the overall yeilds of the plants. With higher overall yeilds, a grower will successfully harvest many more budds, or floral clusters, and from smaller, bushier and more compact plants.

To the indoor grower that does not use this technique, but allows their plants to grow tall, it can be a waste of their artificial lighting, and growing spaces potential. With its own natural growth pattern, and without the benifit of topping, your lady will have one main central "khola" budd, at peak flowering. Several other small branches will grow outwards, down its main stalk, with much smaller budd topps.

The natural growth pattern is to grow upwards at its main stalk. From this main central stalk will begin to grow side branches. The side branches come out as tiny shoots with leaves, and usually there are a pair of them on opposite sides of the main central stalk.

When the seed leaves have long dyed off on the main stalk. The first true seed leaves commonly can or will, wilt, dry up, or dye off of the plant as well. Once healthy new vegative growth begins the rate of growth can be very fast, with excellent lighting supplied.

As the new growth increases the light reaching the lower portions of the plants becomes less. Thusly it is common to see first leafs wilting and dying ect. Growers that see leaves wilting or dying, ect, will opt to pulling them off of the plants.

The main central stalk is topped of just above the branches that are coming out below it. A pair of scissors or your fingers can be used. Once the topping is done you can remove the two upper fans leaves as well. This will aid in the light getting to the newer vegative growth, and other shoot tips, down the main central stalk.

There are no rules to where you top your plant or how old it needs to be. As long as your plant has shoots protruding further down the main stalk it is able to be topped. When topped the growth of the plant will be concentrated towards the new, younger vegative shoots.

Once you have topped your plant(s) the younger shoots will rapidly begin growing. With the removal of the main central stalk the lower braches grow more. With topping completed we keep the plants on their regular lighting and feeding schedules.

Now each new shoot tip will essentially grow as the main stalk did, however the growth is not concentrated to only one central stalk. So as each new shoot grows outward new shoots will grow from each one of them stalks as well.

Therefore topping can be done again, and again, and as each shoot becomes a growing tip with other shoots forming down its stalk, it is removed. By completing these topping or pruning tactics, a grower can acheive any desired height, or desired bushiness, they desire in their plants.
I TOP and FIM, at the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th week, (I do a rapid Hydro grow) . Look at the results in the pic above my signature. There's a Uncle Ben on this site that has a tutorial about creating extra stalks and branches by using the same method.

Here is a link about topping - Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to get 2 or 4 MAIN colas

Roseman · #3 02-04-2009, 08:13 AM

You are going to need more Height Space if you plan to VEG them to maturity for 5 weeks, or you need to start 12/12 very soon and do a SOG grow. You will yield much less with SOG, but you will get it faster.............you will get much more yield if you vEG 5 weeks, but it will take longer and you wil need more HEIGHT space.
Study this :Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic it is a condensed version of out 400 page thread.

Jmade · #4 02-05-2009, 08:30 AM

Thanks Roseman, Last night I started to trim... I might not have known exactly what I was doing, but from what It looked like to me was that the area hitting the leaves is smaller than I thought, all the plants are overcrowding one another. I trimmed the tops down to hopefully expose more of the light to the rest of the plant, these PPP's are awesome to grow with!

We have been having a problem with the Humidity, but we got a humidifier and that will hopefully help with some of the wilting.

I'm thinking that I'll go another 6 days then change the water, and start Bloom?

We'll see how it works out, I'll keep it posted

Roseman · #5 02-05-2009, 09:01 AM

I;'ll be back.

purpdaddy · #6 02-07-2009, 07:25 AM

hey man i was looking at your setup and your gonna need waaaay more light..They also look a lil nute burnt..they will shake bak though...looks better since you topped!
I would invest in sum more cfl"s..Trust me you gonna need em

Jmade · #7 02-09-2009, 08:32 AM

First,

Thanks purpdaddy for stopping by and taking a look,

I wouldn't have ever imagined that I could be growing if I hadn't of read You and Roseman's guides. Thanks!

I got back up to my closet with full intentions of changing water and starting boom...

it was a disaster.

due to me location I am not able to visit but once every few days or so. my dad was looking after them, but he took off on vacation. I was thinking that we were going to be overcrowding the tank when I realized that usually people don't start with 6 fems. but I was trying to see what I could do.

The plants were touching the lights, the roots had taken over everything. I had a mess. the water looked and smelled terrible, It was like everything i had read about going wrong did. I even saw a couple of spiders (small whitish/clear) around my tank.

I had already bought a couple more CFLs for growing
Question: should I get the same size? I bought 2 150 Watt CFL 2700k or should I take them back and just buy another 300? or 2 300?

I broke everything down and cleaned it all out and removed the 2 smallest plants

Now I'm going to admit that I did all this kinda spot on, no time to jump online and read more about tackling every problem, I might have fucked the entire operation up. but I guess thats another reason why I tried this, to see what I could do, or what would happen. I have never grown any plant since like kindergarden in a 2-liter jug.

I cut/untangled to roots to get them apart from one another to re arrange them
Was this OK?

cleaned everything with hot water and ran the pump for a while afterward

changed out the water put some more grow nutes in but didnt add the entire bag, (eyeing out the -2 plants)

it smells better, and I'm hoping it will allow for more room and I'm hoping the lights should work better, it was pretty evident that these chicks were fighting each other for everything. Maybe now they can calm down and grow

My sister stopped by and checked on things for me the other day, she said they were looking good, she's gonna send me a few pics and I'll try to get them up here. (I have a pretty rad family)

if all goes well I am going to change to bloom and 12/12 in the next couple days.

Should I / Could I trim as switching to bloom?

Thanks for keeping up - you guys rock!

Roseman · #8 02-09-2009, 08:36 AM

It is OK, it is fine that the roots get all tangled. Everyone's roots get all tangled up, it is OK.

And those plants have been ready for full strenght nutes for a very long time.

Jmade · #9 02-10-2009, 08:07 AM

Things seem to be doing alright. I'll be able to go check on things in the next day or so!

Roseman · #10 02-10-2009, 08:20 AM

Looking good!

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