My Second try.....12/12 from clone - Page 3

MetalSmelter · #21 07-15-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bfq

large plants take large areas... i would love nothing more than to grow 15 foot trees, but.....

Yea really, in my wildest dreams

the purple is actually from them being nute starved after cloning... it is a rare breed that has healthy and purple stems... it is ok though, they will get over it as they grow out.

Rare breed? Don't get me hopes up, sorta makes me feel like i have a golden ticket on my hands, i hope....not a clue wtf it came from though, hoping its a skunk or something similar, got them from a friend who's friend of a friends grew, said they had 100 in a corn field....was seeded all to hell, and very leafy IIRC, very thin stems...dunno

for flower the first or the second nutes would be decent... i dont like using the really low ratio nutes myself.

Last time i was also using flower nutes+AJ at once then with Molasses on the alternating waterings, so once a week nutes/AJ, and once a week molasses.

sure, tie her down and/or flower early and keep those CFL's RIGHT on the canopy

I'm already on 12/12, i can't get her to flower any quicker than she wants, I can't wait to get the HPS, before i do i'm also going to get another 78cfm inline fan like i already have, i really want to get some side lighting, but will only make my cabinet even hotter i'd imagine.

bfq · #22 07-15-2008, 06:01 PM

i think you need to decide on either chemical nutes or going organic... me, i like the chemical nutes... screw organics they are FAR to unstable and problematic

MetalSmelter · #23 07-15-2008, 06:09 PM

Well for this time, i'm sticking with chem nutes,and the NPK's like Db suggested, i'll work into organics at a later point.....i already know they love AJ, nice added K, and simple sugars they can use easily, but use occasionally, not every other watering lol, And molasses gets all them little micronutes in organic soils active plus other micronutes, and K as well......Its all a balancing act. But i'll leave that to later down the road.

If everything is going good i may add a spritz of apple here and there, but might not even do that. Whats make organic taste differently....besides all naturally occuring nutes instead of synthetic or chemical induced??

MetalSmelter · #24 07-15-2008, 06:15 PM

Ok well i edited that picture, i really can't even see or put my fingers on anything in that area, its just so damn small......Should it get bigger, or what?? Or is it just too early? I added a 3 which i beleive is what your talking about, but theres just so much squeezed into a small place i don't think i could seperate them all, she just went to bed so i'll check again tommorrow and see if there more defined and i can actually seprate everything.......Or do i just cut that growth (bud) ball off? I'm gonna do it tommorrow.

bfq · #25 07-15-2008, 06:19 PM

organics dont taste differently by nature.... things like apple juice change the flavor obviously, but that isnt because they are "organic".

the difference between organic and not organic is pure and simply JUST the fact that organics have a carbon molecule. that is it. N is still N and same with P and K

people think just because it is "organic" it is better for you... but nicotine is organic.

organic is a pain in the ass because it is so unstable. it is really hard to get consistent bat shit

some chemical nutes though are prone to make nasty flavors and crappy burning conditions but that is more to do with the cheapness of them... compare a premium brand soda to a generic equivalent for example.

chemicals are stable, organics are not... so they take a LOT more micromanagement and paying attention... also, they do NOT play well together. organic growing requires microgrowth to work properly and chemical hydroponics kills that.

for example, hydrogen peroxide (chemical oxygen) kills things. is adding oxygen to the roots bad then?

see what i am saying?

bfq · #26 07-15-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalSmelter

Ok well i edited that picture, i really can't even see or put my fingers on anything in that area, its just so damn small......Should it get bigger, or what?? Or is it just too early? I added a 3 which i beleive is what your talking about, but theres just so much squeezed into a small place i don't think i could seperate them all, she just went to bed so i'll check again tommorrow and see if there more defined and i can actually seprate everything.......Or do i just cut that growth (bud) ball off? I'm gonna do it tommorrow.

dont separate anything, just snip it off.

bet right about now you are seeing how Fuck I Missed came to be

that is exactly where you want to cut

if you let it get bigger you are just wasting grow time by letting something doomed use grow energy.

(the server crap is pissing me off, so i am out for a bit)

MetalSmelter · #27 07-15-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bfq

dont separate anything, just snip it off.

bet right about now you are seeing how Fuck I Missed came to be

that is exactly where you want to cut

if you let it get bigger you are just wasting grow time by letting something doomed use grow energy.

(the server crap is pissing me off, so i am out for a bit)

Agreed, server timing out BS is happening alot more today than normal.

I still have a few inches of growth leway to the top of her. So tommorrow when she wakes up i'll snip that area off. So i'll essentially have 2 heads there instead of the typical 4 on a normal seed plant? Or just 2...??

I may add 1 23wers to the side somewhere in the cabinet to keep it from stretching as she gets taller, as i keep taking spacers out below the pot....I dunno how bad those lower growths will really stretch the lower the plant gets and the farther away from light. I don't mind ALOT of width i just want very close nodes to keep everything compact and as much weight in as small a space as possible. But i know adding more lights is just gonna raise temps even more......

bfq · #28 07-15-2008, 10:27 PM

think in terms of branches with topping.... so, if you have a main stalk, that will give ONE cola. we are ignoring lower branches for this discussion.... when you top, that one becomes two... if you FIM, that one can become as many as six but will be at least three.

make sense now?

you can also top/FIM all the other branches and turn each single head into multiples... that is called super shrubbing

it is best to top in veg though.... personally i still need to experiment with topping in flower.... so i am looking forward to seeing the results you get.

feel used?

MetalSmelter · #29 07-15-2008, 10:44 PM

Oh really.....supper shrubbing, i'll do that then. I understand whats going on now, and see what the picture in the link i posted is now talking about, because of the alternating nodes, there are two sets of fan leaves, i only have a single pair at the top, very very newest growth, so i take that off. Hopefully she hasn't gotten too much taller over the night so i can maximize the height. I mean i have a offshoot every 3/4"-1", and if i could turn all of those into somewhat large mutliple heads by doing what you said, and having alot of large colas all the way up her, then that would be awesome!!!. So doing this, does it stress her as well, i'd probobly only want to do it a few times though so it dosent stress her too much, and delay flower. I know she's already a girl because of clone, but as far as time frame when can i expect growth to slow and stop, sexed i've read was usualy 2wks after initiation of 12/12 then another few weeks till budding? So for height to stop 1/3 of the way through total grow time in 12/12?

bfq · #30 07-15-2008, 11:53 PM

be warned again: i have never topped in flower, so your results may TOTALLY differ!!

i have never noticed stress from topping actually. i am sure it does to a degree but usually when i top/FIM the NEXT day shows dramatic growth from the side branches and such.

also, with topping/FIMming there is a point of diminishing returns... in other words, normally, under high wattage lights or Sunlight the buds would be HUGE and if you top they arent so huge (but there is more than one, so you do still get more, generally)... under low wattage though, the buds are already small... so topping/FIMming does increase the yield a LOT.

i will come back in a bit and post to you my actual flowering times to answer your timing questions... gotta check notes and take care of something else first.