My Second try.....12/12 from clone - Page 2

MetalSmelter · #11 07-14-2008, 09:55 AM

Well i tossed it all, i couldn't seperate the green mush from anything else, as the coffee grinder made it all into a very fine powder....that was the mistake......

bfq · #12 07-14-2008, 10:19 AM

yeah, i bet it did.

the reason i like using the low grade trimmings for the hash oil is cause you just toss it all in a jar, let it soak for a bit and then drain it and let it evaporate... i dont cook it or otherwise muck with it, i just wait the days and days for it to evaporate on its own.

low grade shit gets low grade work.

the water hash method is labor intensive, so i only use higher quality materials for it.

then i toss all that in the hash oil jar. and get whatever might be left in it.

anyway, those are my thoughts.

lesson here is: water hash takes stuff with visible trichs on it

MetalSmelter · #13 07-14-2008, 03:46 PM

Yea just another failure in the large scheme of things.....no biggie really...

Mabey eventually i'll have something to make good hash.

Day 7

Leggy is doing great around 6" now, growing very nice, looks to be alternating nodes every 1"-.5" up her length sitting at around 9 nodes right now, trying to figure out how tall she may get......Seems that while she was still on mama, lower down she started stretching, so keeping her at this height from the lights keep node grouping pretty close.

My ideas are to basically let her grow up until she's almost to the hood, then top or fim her, and let her widen......only thing is i'm unsure if she's gonna keep vertical even if i top her or fim her, still looking for best suggestions, width isint a problem.

Would Fimming help any with keeping a plant short, or what? Fuck i missed........similar to topping but lesser so.....

bfq · #14 07-14-2008, 03:56 PM

if you are gonna ScrOG again, i would FIM now and do it again after a couple more nodes on each branch and start LSTing her now.

MetalSmelter · #15 07-15-2008, 03:07 PM

I'm actually not sure if i want to Scrog this grow or not, i know i need to figure it out, but just want to get it right the fisrt time, and try that next time.

I have 5" more vertical room before it touches the hood. And keeping everything 1" from the plexi.

After going back and reading the FAQ it says little on fimming, so searched, Fimming and Topping 101 It says you can get 4 top heads instead of two, On a clone with already alternating budsites does that mean i can only get 1 head site instead of two, just trying to clarify some? I'm gonna wait another day then FIM her. Does this method just stunt growth at said height, or does she keep growing in height after Fimming, or do the heads just keep growing vertically?? I'd like to keep her at 10-11" and get some major girth on her

, she's currently around 6-6.5".

Day 8

Everythings looking good so far, i feel i need to bump it up to its final pot, as i've had to water the solo cup every 3days, not wanting to use the 12" hole in the bottom because it only allows me 1 plant, when i'd like 2-3 this run on 12/12. If i vegged for another month like previous then wouldnt matter much to me.

Any ideas why the tips are curling so much, is this heat stress or N def, because PH is 6.8. I added 1 ice bottle today, its cooler today than it has been, only a high of 88, instead of typical 98F+ days, so she peaked at 95 this morning, after 1 ice bottle for 3hrs she came down to a steady 88F

About to check the roots on my 5 clones, will update with those pictures later.

bfq · #16 07-15-2008, 04:13 PM

i can understand wanting to keep it simple and not ScrOGging this go. Just remember you will wind up tying them down as they grow.

FIMming/topping causes the main stalk to split. a top makes it become 2 new stalks, a FIM makes more. BUT this does not stop upward growth. the new stalks can develop several more nodes themselves. these nodes will fill in with bud when you have enough lights so that is what makes it seem like it is two buds.... just remember, a cola is actually a cluster of buds spanning a few nodes.

and you DO care if you veg for a couple months because long veg time is what makes for HUGE plants.

sending clones directly to flower after they shoot roots is not just for time, it is mainly to keep the plant's height down.

DONT pull the clones up to check their roots!

if you want to see the roots, go back to using shot glasses and put the plastic outside of them so you can pull it off and see if there are roots or not OR wait till you see new growth above the soil.

pulling em up only causes stress and can tear the weak new root buds.

what are you using for nutes?

MetalSmelter · #17 07-15-2008, 05:15 PM

Lots covered so i'll respond in bold. BTW thanks again.

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Originally Posted by bfq

i can understand wanting to keep it simple and not ScrOGging this go. Just remember you will wind up tying them down as they grow.

I figured i'd need to tie them down as i go which isint a problem, will do it similar to how i did before.

FIMming/topping causes the main stalk to split. a top makes it become 2 new stalks, a FIM makes more. BUT this does not stop upward growth. the new stalks can develop several more nodes themselves. these nodes will fill in with bud when you have enough lights so that is what makes it seem like it is two buds.... just remember, a cola is actually a cluster of buds spanning a few nodes.

and you DO care if you veg for a couple months because long veg time is what makes for HUGE plants.

Yea i know, wasn't what i was implying though, id love a large plant, a good 2-3month veg for a 6-9fter, all in due time though, first i'm going to start with 12/12, less to go wrong with lights, time, size.

sending clones directly to flower after they shoot roots is not just for time, it is mainly to keep the plant's height down.

Still concerned actually with possible size, I may cut an ajoining hole next to the 12"er, so i can fit an 8" pot in beside it. Then i'll figure up a fake floor, foamcorecovered in duct tape, covered in posterboard?? So i can fit 2 8" pots, and those will be final resting places.

DONT pull the clones up to check their roots!

Havn't pulled any up this time checking but 4 of 5 are turning purple similar to the first 2 i took, so i think there shooting out legs finally, 2 of them have a pretty tight alternating nodal distances, so i'm gonna keep her extreemly close to lights, and see if i can just get a single large cola, and 1 of those has a decent amount of visible hairs, very spindly though.

if you want to see the roots, go back to using shot glasses and put the plastic outside of them so you can pull it off and see if there are roots or not OR wait till you see new growth above the soil.

pulling em up only causes stress and can tear the weak new root buds.

I may actually do that, i like to be able to look, and those shot glasses are perfect size really for them to fill up moderatly in a week.5 rooting time, can start seeing them break the outside surface of the ball.

what are you using for nutes?

At this point nothing as i seemed to over do it last time, trying to go easy on her, should i be using anything??? I have 10-52-10, and 15-30-15, but i was looking the other day at lowes and schultz has some 8-15-9 or something another, moderate N and K, bout double P. The 52 is too much i think for them, though she was doing fantastic for over a month with it, before PH flipped.

Is there anyway to control height at said height when she reaches it besides topping, I double topped the mother at 2weeks i beleive, She had a nub about 2" long with nothing on top.....lol, so i know i controlled her main stalk rather good, total was 8" i beleive branches up every 2".

bfq · #18 07-15-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalSmelter

Yea i know, wasn't what i was implying though, id love a large plant, a good 2-3month veg for a 6-9fter, all in due time though, first i'm going to start with 12/12, less to go wrong with lights, time, size.

large plants take large areas... i would love nothing more than to grow 15 foot trees, but.....

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Originally Posted by MetalSmelter

Havn't pulled any up this time checking but 4 of 5 are turning purple similar to the first 2 i took, so i think there shooting out legs finally, 2 of them have a pretty tight alternating nodal distances, so i'm gonna keep her extreemly close to lights, and see if i can just get a single large cola, and 1 of those has a decent amount of visible hairs, very spindly though.

the purple is actually from them being nute starved after cloning... it is a rare breed that has healthy and purple stems... it is ok though, they will get over it as they grow out.

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Originally Posted by MetalSmelter

At this point nothing as i seemed to over do it last time, trying to go easy on her, should i be using anything??? I have 10-52-10, and 15-30-15, but i was looking the other day at lowes and schultz has some 8-15-9 or something another, moderate N and K, bout double P. The 52 is too much i think for them, though she was doing fantastic for over a month with it, before PH flipped.

for flower the first or the second nutes would be decent... i dont like using the really low ratio nutes myself.

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Originally Posted by MetalSmelter

Is there anyway to control height at said height when she reaches it besides topping, I double topped the mother at 2weeks i beleive, She had a nub about 2" long with nothing on top.....lol, so i know i controlled her main stalk rather good, total was 8" i beleive branches up every 2".

sure, tie her down and/or flower early and keep those CFL's RIGHT on the canopy

MetalSmelter · #19 07-15-2008, 05:45 PM

I took a picture to mabey help me some, labeled are 1 and 2, i'm confused as to which to cut. As all links i've read are on seeded plants, that have 2 pairs instead of the single alternating on a clone.

And one of all of her while i'm at it. Nodes every 3/4" all the way up her.

Under Natural Light, color looks healthy.....Tips just curling over.

bfq · #20 07-15-2008, 05:51 PM

the second shows she is slightly N starved... start using nutes, but use em weak until you transplant.

as for where to top... neither of those spots are it... if you clip there, you are just taking out leaves... you want where they both meet right under that... if you clip at the stem it is topping, if you clip in the veg growth just above, you are fimming.