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Dr.D81 said:

i am a vfw so i am going to get a hold of the local vets and see who they use. well off to order some beans.

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Did you try the Wally World prepaid card?

i was but i put the money on one i had, and paypal didn't like the billing and shipping address being different. i got it done.

Dr.D81 said:

i was but i put the money on one i had, and paypal didn't like the billing and shipping address being different. i got it done.

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So many issue with financial institutions.
How dare then tell us how and or where to spend our own money!!

Speaking of financial institutions.... not sure if you guys read the news much, but there is this new policy the IRS is enforcing on foreign banks. We (the US govt) are obligating foreign banks to disclose all financial information of US citizens living in their country. (if they have at least $50k in the bank)

I guess the number of people who have denounced their citizenship has more than tripled since 2 years ago over it. A friend of mine is seriously considering denouncing himself.

I don't know enough about the interworkings of money to have an opinion... just thought it a wild development.

I will say this... as a country we sure aren't making too many friends around the world.

jigfresh said:

I will say this... as a country we sure aren't making too many friends around the world.

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.....and they are making even less at home.


cof

jigfresh said:

Speaking of financial institutions.... not sure if you guys read the news much, but there is this new policy the IRS is enforcing on foreign banks. We (the US govt) are obligating foreign banks to disclose all financial information of US citizens living in their country. (if they have at least $50k in the bank)

I guess the number of people who have denounced their citizenship has more than tripled since 2 years ago over it. A friend of mine is seriously considering denouncing himself.

I don't know enough about the interworkings of money to have an opinion... just thought it a wild development.

I will say this... as a country we sure aren't making too many friends around the world.

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I think our Govt is greedy and extremely invasive.

I honestly have nothing positive to say about our elected officials nor the system they represent.

I second that Bass.

bassman999 said:

I think our Govt is greedy and extremely invasive.

I honestly have nothing positive to say about our elected officials nor the system they represent.

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I like their roads. hmmmm. And I like the national parks. Yep, I think that's it lol.

Government is hard. Trying to make everybody happy is nearly impossible.

I find it hard keeping 2 people happy.

you can't make every body happy, but what the hell are they thinking. they are running us in to the ground at full steam, and mine, jig, and everybody's kids are going to pay

True dat holla back ^
The song that comes to my mind from this conversation,,, also speaks for how I feel.
[video=youtube;Px1ZwHsIRjE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1ZwHsIRjE[/video]

It's like seeing a car crash from inside the car
The driver's got his head craned back he's telling you a joke
You see the bus on collision course
You point your arm and turn your head and wait for the impact

This is the feeling we learn to live with in North America
The morning headlines always accompanied with sweat and nausea
Every week another puzzle piece gets permanently glued into place

We see the iceberg from 15 miles away
The captain orders the ship to "stay the course"
"Full speed ahead" shouts the accurst
The next thing we heard was, "rich women and children first"
The ship is listing, the captain's placing blame on the iceberg
"That berg attacked us, I am declaring war on the Arctic"
Who could ever have predicted the greatest ship could so easily sink (duh)

Lifeboats are useless without rescue
The only ships show up for salvage
When setting sail on the St. Louis
We all knew what consequences could be
With the crew we had at the controls
There's no harborage for the USA-holes
I doubt there's a benign God to save our souls
Cuz no one else is gonna save the USA-holes







Hey jig Im getting somewhat caught up here, loooooking fantabulous brotha!

Mohican said:

Government is hard. Trying to make everybody happy is nearly impossible.

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I think they want the illusion of trying to make up happy, all the while the only have their own interests at heart

Putin’s Speech on Feb. 04, 2013
> This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin....
> On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
> "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.
> The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

food for thought


cof

bassman999 said:

I think they want the illusion of trying to make up happy, all the while the only have their own interests at heart

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Might as well be the definition of capitalism hahaha

Make the consumers think theyre getting a good deal because all the corporations agree to sell at a certain level which is way too high.

curious old fart said:

Putin’s Speech on Feb. 04, 2013
> This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin....
> On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
> "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.
> The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

food for thought


cof

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i agree i don't see way we can't go back to all just being plain old Americans no matter what color or religion you are. I thought that was the point. then as Americans we have to stop giving our resources away and get our shit straight as a country.

Dr.D81 said:

i agree i don't see way we can't go back to all just being plain old Americans no matter what color or religion you are. I thought that was the point. then as Americans we have to stop giving our resources away and get our shit straight as a country.

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I think our country has a strange place in the world seeing as how it came to be. There's no moral ground for anyone to stand on when the foundations of our nation are soaked in blood.

I see we are on a political note tonight huh? Ill throw my 2 cents in. America as a whole is no different than any civilization throughout history. The original intention was honorable but over the course of time, both short and long term, those intentions have morphed into the negative aspects of human nature. Greed is enivtable when it comes to human nature so it only makes sense that the civilization as a whole becomes greedy. Some forms of government discourage this aspect while others encourage it (capitalism). Not to say capitalism is good nor bad but merely an operating system for a group of people. All forms of government should work in theory. We all know, however, that they eventually fail and rebuild. The only question really is when will capitalism fail. All systems have their flaws and govern the people under them with using similar tactics. A smaller group of individuals holding power over a larger group. So it only makes sense that there is a disconnect between the two groups. As the small group has its interests, the larger group's will not always align as the larger group has far more interests than the smaller. Seems the only way to govern people is to restrict their perceived freedom. From a philosophical/sociological standpoint, there is no true freedom in any system, short of living in a cave secluded from the outside world. The system which governs gives options and essentially propaganda that the general public holds to be freedom and truth.

Rant over.

Well said bro.

Here's what's up in the closet. I flipped the switch yesterday, so last night was their first (really second) night of 12 hours dark. I'm stoked to see what these lights can do in flower. Fingers crossed.

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now that's a jig grow..