they are outdoors, but right now sun is only ilke 13 hours. they get about 8 direct though. any tips for helping growth in the 808

That could be your problem, more sun = faster growth

Where at in oahu?

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east side of oahu

Ohh, nice. I was on the north shore. Anway good luck, yeah i wouldnt say your to bad off with those plants, mine looked about the same at that time, and that was with 24/0 with 2 42 watt cfls plus 4 26w cfls. So they look normal to me, and pretty damn healthy. Id recomend finding a better spot with more light if possible. See what others on here have to say though too...

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u dont think that odd color on the bottom is a bad thing?

Ok, yeah, do u feed them nutes?

How often do u water, what do you use to determin they need water?

What kind of soil mix do you use?

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i use this soil.
Supersoil - Products - Supersoil Potting Soil
water every 2-3 days

no added nutes

thye are in pots that are about 3/4 gallon

Your soil sounds fine.

You might be overwatering. The rule of thumb is to wait until the top 2inches is dry, just kindof finger it to find out. I was watering my plants like once a week in oahus outdoors.

Maby also try a diluted solution of some nutrience of some kind. Its done complete turn arounds on plants for me before/

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yeah ill prob try that, where on oahu were u?

Wialua/haleiwa, The great northshore. The surf was aesome this winter!

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